Logarithm question, finding all possible pairs of integers

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The problem involves finding all possible pairs of integers \(a\) and \(n\) that satisfy a logarithmic equation involving square roots and integer constraints. The equation is given in terms of logarithms with a base of \(1/n\) and includes expressions that involve the square root of \(15\).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various transformations of the original equation, with attempts to simplify and rearrange terms. Some express confusion about specific steps in the manipulation of the equation. Others share partial results and suggest potential forms for \(a\) in terms of \(n\).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different algebraic manipulations and expressing uncertainty about the best approach to find integer solutions. Some suggest computational methods to identify pairs, while others emphasize the importance of allowing the original poster to engage with the problem further.

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Participants note the challenge of finding integer solutions and the constraints imposed by the nature of the logarithmic and square root functions involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find all possible pairs of integers a and n such that:

log(1/n)(√(a+√(15)) - √(a -√(15)))=-1/2

(that's log to the base (1/n))


The Attempt at a Solution



(1/n)^-1/2 = (√(a+√(15)) - √(a -√(15))
∴ n^4 = (a+√(15) - (a -√(15) - 2√((a+√15)(a -√(15))
∴ n^4 = =2√(15) - 2√((a+√15)(a -√(15))
eventually simplifying to:
n^(16)-√(15)n^4 =4a^2

dont know how to solve, probably made mistake

question is from core 3 edexcel and is worth 13 marks
 
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Typing in all the steps into the Compose form would be a mess; but one of my partial results seems to give the equation,
(n-2a)/(-2) = sqrt(a2-15)
 
symbolipoint said:
Typing in all the steps into the Compose form would be a mess; but one of my partial results seems to give the equation,
(n-2a)/(-2) = sqrt(a2-15)

Yeah, I get the same thing.
 
Further steps give me n2-4an+60=0, from which solving for a,
a=(n/4)+(15/n).

That could let us find possible pairs of INTEGERS for a and n.
 
symbolipoint said:
Further steps give me n2-4an+60=0, from which solving for a,
a=(n/4)+(15/n).

That could let us find possible pairs of INTEGERS for a and n.

OK, but maybe we should let the OP solve it? :-p
 
micromass said:
OK, but maybe we should let the OP solve it? :-p

Knowing no clever way to solve specifically for integer solutions, would a BASIC FOR loop be acceptable? I would run n from about 0.100 to 50, incrementing by 0.100 for each step. a would be calculated in each run through the loop.

( I know no clever, fancy way to find the integer solutions for this rational equation but I believe a BASIC program can expose some integer number pairs for n and a ).
 

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