Looking for a certain flexible material

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The discussion revolves around finding a flexible material suitable for a specific application involving a gadget that requires certain mechanical properties, including non-toxicity, elasticity, and rigidity. Participants explore various material options and their characteristics, focusing on theoretical and practical aspects of material selection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the criteria for the material, emphasizing the need for it to be non-toxic, elastic, and rigid enough to avoid plastic deformation.
  • Another participant questions the sharpness of the bend required and suggests that paper might meet the criteria if the bending radius is sufficiently large.
  • A different participant expresses the need for the material to be durable and springy, indicating that while sheet metal might work, it may not be the ideal choice.
  • Nitnol is proposed as a potential material due to its flexibility, but concerns about the required bend radius are raised.
  • One participant discusses the possibility of using two layers of material with an elastomer in between to achieve the desired properties.
  • Another participant suggests that the properties needed for the material may be in direct opposition, proposing an inflatable design as an alternative.
  • There is a discussion about the feasibility of creating a springy elastomer hinge to achieve the necessary range of motion while maintaining a flat surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on material properties and potential solutions, but there is no consensus on a single material or approach that meets all criteria. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to achieve the desired functionality.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific requirements such as the thickness of materials and the nature of the bending, but these details remain unresolved in terms of practical application and material selection.

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I'm working on making a little gadget for myself and am in need of a material that meets the following criteria:

1) non toxic
2) can double over on itself and return to it's original position*
3) rigid enough to avoid plastic deformation at maximum design deflection*
4) can be obtained in "sheet form" in which many of the same sized pieces can be cut

*the ratio of (distance from bending edge to fold)/(material thickness) would be, at the very highest, 100. For example, if you folded an (0.1mm thick) 8.5x11 sheet of paper into a 8.5x5.5 pamphlet, the ratio I'm describing is (5.5*25.4)/.1 = 1,400.

Anyways, I would like some suggestions for materials that are linearly elastic within the criteria.

Thanks!
 
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How sharp does the bend have to be?
Paper would satisfy the criteria easily if the bending radius (or even the circumference) can be 100 times the thickness.

Any other requirements, like forces involved?
 
It needs to be very durable and springy. Some forms of sheet metal would probably work, but I don't think that's the type of material I'm looking for. It needs to be able to return to a perfectly flat surface, even after thousands of times bent from flat to the configuration below.

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Nitnol is one of the most bendy materials that fit your description that I can think of and that needs about 20T radius. Could you join two sheets together with some sort of elastomer?

BoB
 
I certainly could, but then it comes down to how thin can I tangibly get the sheet. It could be as thin as 1/32" but I'm not sure. I'm looking for it to be bendable by hand, but not so much that you could easily accidentally bend it too far (hence safely elastic doubled over).
 
A bend radius of 2T is very, very, very small. I doubt this is possible. You are talking strains in the neighborhood of 1.2.
 
What is the application?

BoB
 
Flexible surface cleaner. I know the first thought is "why not just use a cloth or rag"? Well, the rigidity is of paramount importance to my application.

If we assume I need a thickness T, could I do two layers of, say 0.4T with a 0.2T elastomer between them, like recommended?
 
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Not quite the right application. Sorry, I'm being intentionally vague because there's a very specific application I'm looking at and might monetize it later.

The entire material needs to be flexible, not just two plates attached by an elastomer hinge. While that does solve the issue I'm looking at, I'm pretty sure the specific functionality I'm looking for goes away.
 
  • #11
It seems that the material you are looking for has two properties that are in direct opposition to each other.

If you made a thin plastic pillow you could deflate it for folded storage and then lay it flat and re-inflate it for use. The surface would not be flat as there would be a dimple at each place the two surfaces were bonded together. Think inflatable mattress. Would that work?

BoB
 
  • #12
I understand what you're saying, but what would you think about this? Could I make a springy enough elastomer hinge to create the range of motion I need (shown below)?

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  • #13
Yes. That is what I was suggesting with the hinge. You would get it to lie flat with both panels' surfaces touching if the shape of the hinge was designed correctly. If you went with minimal hinge material then the far edge would touch and the hinge would bulge slightly holding the panels at a small angle.

BoB
 

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