Looking for a cheap way to prevent back voltage

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The discussion revolves around methods to prevent back voltage in a circuit powered by a single battery, particularly in the context of using servos that can generate reverse voltage when activated. Participants explore various circuit designs and protective measures to address this issue, focusing on practical solutions and potential risks associated with different approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using diode isolation for each power consumer to prevent back voltage from affecting the power supply.
  • Another participant notes that servos typically generate a small reverse voltage when powered but can produce a significant positive pulse when power is removed, recommending a diode across the regulator to mitigate this issue.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes placing the diode across the servo to reduce noise coupling into the circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about the placement and orientation of the diode, particularly regarding the positive-going pulse generated by the servos and its implications for circuit design.
  • One participant mentions the need for a bypass capacitor between the servo and the regulator to help manage voltage spikes.
  • Another participant clarifies that they are powering the servos at 4.8V, raising concerns about the implications of routing back voltage to the battery through the regulator.
  • It is discussed that while the regulator might be vulnerable to reverse voltage, the battery may not be significantly affected by momentary charging voltages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method to handle back voltage, with multiple competing views on diode placement and the implications for circuit stability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the circuit design, including the need to account for voltage drops introduced by diodes and the behavior of servos during power transitions. There are unresolved considerations regarding the effects of back voltage on both the regulator and the battery.

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I'm trying to build a circuit that can power multiple sources with a single battery (rated at 18.5V but the charge is pretty unstable and could be anywhere from 16-20V depending). Among other things, the battery is powering several servos which are prone to producing back voltage when activated...what's the best way for me to fix this? I was planning on adding some sort of buffer, but thought it might be risky or simply impossible to power the buffer with its own input (the whole point of the system is for it to be able to run off a single battery). Appreciate any suggestions out there as I'm not very well versed with this sort of thing. Thanks!
 
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swuster said:
I'm trying to build a circuit that can power multiple sources with a single battery (rated at 18.5V but the charge is pretty unstable and could be anywhere from 16-20V depending). Among other things, the battery is powering several servos which are prone to producing back voltage when activated...what's the best way for me to fix this? I was planning on adding some sort of buffer, but thought it might be risky or simply impossible to power the buffer with its own input (the whole point of the system is for it to be able to run off a single battery). Appreciate any suggestions out there as I'm not very well versed with this sort of thing. Thanks!

Can you diode isolate each consumer of power? You would have your power supply feeding each consumer through a power diode (a power Schottky if the voltage drop matters).
 
Servos are usually connected across a power supply of about 6 volts.

They generate a small reverse voltage when power is applied but this is easily countered by the incoming power.

However, when the power is removed, they have considerable power stored magnetically and they can deliver a large positive going pulse towards the regulator.

It is common to put a diode across the regulator if this is a problem on power down.
The diode is placed with the anode to the output and the cathode to the input.

This avoids the regulator having a high voltage on its output and no voltage on its input which could be a fatal situation.
 
vk6kro said:
It is common to put a diode across the regulator if this is a problem on power down.
The diode is placed with the anode to the output and the cathode to the input.
I would put the diode across the servo at the source of the pulse. Less noise that could couple from the wiring to the rest of the circuit. IMO
 
The problem is that the pulse is positive going, so where would you put the diode and which way around? The supply is positive so it can't be cathode to ground or it would short out the supply.

I confirmed that there is a large positive going pulse with a test setup here.

Putting a diode across the regulator at least protects that during power down. Having a bypass capacitor between the servo and the regulator might help a little.

Putting a diode in series with each Servo would stop reverse voltages getting back to the regulator, but also cause a drop in voltage of 0.6 volts which would have to be allowed for by generating 6.6 volts instead of 6 in the regulator.
 
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I'm actually powering the servos at their 4.8V mode, so the lines are regulated to 5V. If I put the diode across the regulator, that means the back voltage goes all the way back to the battery. Seems like that might be a possible problem...
 
swuster said:
I'm actually powering the servos at their 4.8V mode, so the lines are regulated to 5V. If I put the diode across the regulator, that means the back voltage goes all the way back to the battery. Seems like that might be a possible problem...

This is a voltage generated when you remove power. The regulator would possibly be vulnerable to reverse voltage but the battery would just see it as a momentary charging voltage without much current capability.

So, having the voltage bypass the regulator seems like a good idea and the battery should not have much of a problem with it. It might hardly increase the battery voltage at all.
 

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