Looking for a specific sort of math book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding a math book that provides comprehensive explanations of mathematical concepts, starting from basic arithmetic and progressing to pre-calculus. The focus is on self-study resources that clarify the derivation of mathematical operations and principles.

Discussion Character

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for a math book that explains the derivation of operations and concepts, emphasizing the importance of understanding the "why" behind mathematical rules.
  • Another participant suggests a specific book that has received good reviews and seems relevant to the request.
  • A different participant recommends "Engineering Mathematics Through Applications" for its provision of complete solutions to problems, which may aid self-study.
  • One participant mentions "Euler's Elements of Algebra" as a potential resource, noting its historical context and possible outdated notation.
  • Another participant shares their intention to use "Algebra" by I.M. Gelfand and Alexander Shen to help clarify algebraic concepts for their child, indicating its focus on the reasoning behind mathematical processes.
  • Several participants express agreement with the recommendation of Gelfand's book based on its reputation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for books that explain mathematical concepts thoroughly, but there are multiple suggestions for specific titles, indicating a variety of opinions on the best resources available.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that certain recommended books may have outdated notation or may not cover all areas of interest, which could affect their suitability for self-study.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals seeking to deepen their understanding of mathematics through self-study, particularly those with gaps in their foundational knowledge or those looking for resources that explain the reasoning behind mathematical operations.

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I'm looking for a math book that gives all the definitions and explains how every system was derived, starting at addition and subtraction, going up to pre-calculus.

A bit of background: I dropped out of school to go to work at an early age (first year of high school). I did a lot of self-study and got a job as a computer programmer, which I have been doing now for 10 years. I have picked up quite a bit of math on my own as the years have gone by, but it has always been on a by-need basis. I would find myself in a situation where I need math to solve a specific problem, then I would learn how to solve that kind of problem.

Needless to say, this has given me a knowledge of math with a lot of holes in it. Recently I have become interested in math, and decided to do self study to get my knowledge up to college/university level, at which point I can join lectures at my own pace while I continue working.

So, as a first few steps I got book-lists from the local high schools, and bought the relevant ones. I have been working through the problems easily enough but I have sort of come to the conclusion that either books are not "my kind" of books, or they are simply not suited for self-study.

They are mostly teaching silly "do it like this" rules, without explaining how these things were derived. I'll give you a very elementary example to explain what I mean. It is like they tell you that "+" and "-" equals "-", "+" and "+" is "+", and "-" and "-" is "+". Fair enough, but to understand WHY this works, you need to be shown a line going from negative something, through 0, and into the positive, and then do arithmetic on that line.

I have this feeling that the books I have are not suited for self-study, because it is expected that the teacher should fill in all and do all the explaining of why the methods work.

So, I am looking for a book that clearly explains how they got from A to B, preferably starting as low as arithmetic, explaining the laws of commutativity and so on, then building on this to get all the way up to precalculus.

I have never seen a math text that actually mentions the laws of associativity when explaining how to solve equations, but it is the core reason why, say, you have to change the signs of an expression when you dissolve a subtracted parenthesis.

I can work out a lot of these problems for myself, I was almost able to go from Ax^2 + Bx + c to the general formula, but I want a book that proves every operation I am doing, both mathematically and with examples and text.

I am looking for deeper knowledge of what I am doing. I guess I am looking for a book that can spell out the WHY of every operation for me. Preferably with a lot of examples and excersises to work though :) Is that asking a lot?

So, given my history, and what I think I want, what book(s) would you recommend?

Edit: I guess Euler's Elements of Algebra is the exact sort of book I am talking about, though it deals only with a specific area and is somewhat old (It might make develop some out-dated notation?).

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Thanks a lot Daverz, I'll check it out and add it to my next shipping of books.

k
 
An excellent book to work from by yourself is Engineering Mathematics Through Applications. It gives online complete solutions to all the problems in the book.
 
i would try euler if i were you.
 
This algebra book has also gotten good reviews and I've just ordered it. I have a kid who's been struggling a bit with algebra and I'm looking at it to see if I can use it to help make clear the whys and wherefores (and therefores!).

Algebra by I.M. Gelfand, Alexander Shen ISBN #0817636773.

Amazon has it for about $20. I tried to post the link but evidently I'm too new a poster to be allowed to do that.
 

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