Looking for help to understand the Integral Test

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The discussion revolves around understanding the Integral Test for series convergence and divergence, specifically comparing series to integrals. Participants explore the differences in upper bounds and graphical representations in two examples involving the series ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n}## and ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^2}##.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the different upper bounds ("k+1" vs "k") in the two examples and how this affects the comparison.
  • Another participant explains that shifting the blocks by one position does not affect convergence or divergence, as adding or subtracting a finite amount does not change the overall behavior of the series.
  • It is suggested that the rearrangement of blocks is a method to compare the series to known integrals, emphasizing that the shift does not significantly impact the conclusion regarding convergence or divergence.

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Participants generally agree on the idea that shifting blocks does not affect convergence or divergence, but there is still uncertainty regarding the implications of different upper bounds in the examples discussed.

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Participants do not fully resolve the question of why the upper bounds differ, indicating a need for further clarification on this aspect.

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To my understanding, we wish to use the integral test to compare to a series to see if the series converges or diverges.
In these two examples, we use ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n}## compared with ##\int_1^{k+1} \frac{1}{x}dx## and for the second example we have ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^2}## compared with ##\int_1^k \frac{1}{x^2}dx##

Now I have a couple uncertainties about this. First, the difference in the "k+1" upper bound for the first example and the "k" upper bound for the second example. Why are they different? And this leads to my second question. In the first picture of the first example compared to the second picture of the second example, we are starting at different places on the graphs. The second example has an extra "block" to the series, and we are adding a +1 to the integral of the second example. Additionally, in the second example, the graph is above the series whereas the graph is below the series for the first example.

I understand that we are in a way trying to "bound" the series, but I don't know what's going on with the differences between these two.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 

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Sliding the blocks over by 1 position either direction is the same as adding or subtracting a single finite block.
If you have something that converges, then adding or subtracting some finite amount will not change that fact.

Similarly, if it diverges, then adding or subtracting a finite amount will not change that fact.

Think of it like this: if the integral converges, then we can arrange a series such that it fits inside the integral.
Since the area in all the blocks is less than the area of the integral, then the series must also converge.
Since there are gaps, we still do not know the value of the series, just that it is less than the integral.
Note that if the integral diverges, then showing the blocks are less than the integral proves nothing.

Similarly, you can arrange blocks so that the area of the blocks is clearly greater than the area of the integral.
If the integral diverges, then you know the blocks are greater than that, so the series also diverges.
If the integral converges, but you arrange the blocks to be bigger than the integral, you have proved nothing.
 
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So really it's just rearranging the blocks so that we can compare them to something that we know something about. And the shift really doesn't matter because in the long run, a single block or two isn't going to make any difference at all?
 
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opus said:
So really it's just rearranging the blocks so that we can compare them to something that we know something about. And the shift really doesn't matter because in the long run, a single block or two isn't going to make any difference at all?
Yes, you got it. :smile:
 
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Awesome, thanks scottdave!
 

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