Looking for proof that a free rigid body will rotate about its CM

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a free rigid body when subjected to forces that produce torque. Participants explore the implications of this behavior, specifically focusing on the motion of the center of mass and the rotation about the center of mass. The conversation includes requests for proofs, derivations, and references to relevant literature.

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  • One participant requests a proof that a free rigid body moves in a straight line at its center of mass while rotating about that center when subjected to torque-producing forces.
  • Another participant suggests that this behavior follows from the conservation of total linear momentum, although they do not provide a formal proof.
  • A different participant shares their own derivation involving vector coordinates and equations of motion, indicating that they believe it is possible to show that angular velocity corresponds to any axis.
  • One participant notes that their derivation applies to a general set of interacting particles rather than specifically to rigid bodies, mentioning the connection to conservation of angular momentum.
  • A later reply expresses confusion about a previous post and requests a proof of Newton's second law for rotation.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the topic, with no consensus reached on a definitive proof or explanation. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

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Some participants mention limitations in their derivations, such as not specifically addressing rigid bodies or relying on assumptions related to Noether's theorem without clear justification.

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Can anyone recommend a textbook or web paper that proves that, in general, a free rigid body will act in the following way when the body is subjected to a force (or impulse) that is torque producing:
a) The center of mass (CM) moves in a straight line.
b) The body rotates about an axis through its CM.
(By "free" I mean unconstrained.)

It seems intuitive and many textbooks state the above. But the ones I've looked at don't seem to present a proof.

Thanks.
 
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scoomer said:
Can anyone recommend a textbook or web paper that proves that, in general, a free rigid body will act in the following way when the body is subjected to a force (or impulse) that is torque producing:
a) The center of mass (CM) moves in a straight line.
b) The body rotates about an axis through its CM.
(By "free" I mean unconstrained.)
It follows from the conservation of total linear momentum, if you consider that the body consist of many small masses, each with it's own linear momentum. I don't have a formal proof, but that is the line it would along.
 
I also missed this very important concepts from mechanics books. So I worked it out by myself. I define coordinates (all relevant coordinates are vectors):
[tex]r_i=r_c+r_i'[/tex]
[tex]v_i=v_c+v_i'=v_c+\omega\times r_i'[/tex]
I suppose it is possible to show that the necessary vector [itex]\omega[/itex] corresponds to the angular velocity about just any axis. I use center of mass coordinates since later I will need [itex]\sum m_ir_i'=0[/itex].
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Now
[tex]\sum F_i=\sum m_ia_i[/tex]
[tex]\sum F_i=\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}\sum m_iv_i[/tex]
[tex]\sum F_i^\text{ext}=\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}\left((\sum m_i)v_c\right)[/tex]
[tex]F^\text{ext}=Ma_c[/tex]
On the LHS I used that internal forces cancel [itex]F_{ij}=-F_{ji}[/itex] and on the RHS I used that [itex]\sum m_iv_i'=\omega\times\sum m_i r_i'=0[/itex]. Now you have the linear law of motion.
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For the angular part
[tex]\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}\sum m_ir_i'\times v_i'=\sum m_i r_i'\times a_i'=\sum m_i r_i'\times (a_i-a_c)=\sum r_i'\times F_i=\sum r_i'\times F_i^\text{ext}[/tex]
The internal forces cancel again since force are along the line of action [itex]r_i\times F_{ij}+r_j\times F_{ji}=\Delta r\times F_{ij}=0[/itex]. So, the torque from external forces about the center of mass is equal to the angular momentum about the center of mass.

With some additional ideas one can show that therefore in the absence of external forces the center of mass velocity and the angular velocity are constant.
 
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thank you, that was very helpful
 
Actually my derivation doesn't specifically address the rigid body (so I don't need [itex]\omega[/itex]). It is for a general set of interacting particles.

That's where I believe conservation of angular momentum comes from. At least I haven't met anyone who convincingly can use Noethers theorem, without including lots of hidden assumptions :smile:
 
what?!
has my reply been deleted again..?
anyway... can you please prov the second law of Newton for rotation?
thanks :D
 

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