Lorentz Transformation and Creation Operators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Lorentz transformation and its implications for creation operators within the context of quantum field theory. Participants explore the transformation properties of states and operators, particularly focusing on the behavior of the vacuum state under Lorentz transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation involving the transformation of states and operators, questioning the correctness of their expression for the transformation of creation operators.
  • Another participant clarifies that states transform according to \( |p\rangle \longrightarrow |p'\rangle = U|p\rangle \) while operators transform as \( a_p \longrightarrow a_p' = Ua_pU^{-1} \), emphasizing the need to insert the identity operator in the derivation.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption that the vacuum state \( |0\rangle \) is unique and invariant under Lorentz transformations, with one participant seeking the basis for this assumption.
  • Another participant suggests that the transformation laws should follow from the construction of Fock space, hinting at a connection to linear algebra.
  • One participant humorously acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the manipulation of the vacuum state in their derivation.
  • Further inquiry is made into whether the condition of Lorentz invariance for the vacuum state can ever be false, with a suggestion to consider frameworks that might violate this assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the vacuum state being Lorentz invariant and whether this assumption can be violated. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the foundational basis for this assumption.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the transformation rules and the assumptions involved, particularly regarding the nature of the vacuum state and its invariance under transformations.

maverick280857
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Hi

Suppose \Lambda is a Lorentz transformation with the associated Hilbert space unitary operator denoted by U(\Lambda). We have

U(\Lambda)|p\rangle = |\Lambda p\rangle

and

|p\rangle = \sqrt{2E_{p}}a_{p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle

Equivalently,

U(\Lambda)|p\rangle = U(\lambda)\sqrt{2E_{p}}a_{p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle

Now, by definition,

|\Lambda p\rangle = \sqrt{2E_{\Lambda p}}a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle

Therefore it follows that

\sqrt{2E_{p}}U(\Lambda) a_{p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle = \sqrt{2E_{\Lambda p}} a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle

or

U(\Lambda)a_{p}^{\dagger} = \sqrt{\frac{E_{\Lambda p}}{E_p}}a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}

But apparently the correct expression is

U(\Lambda)a_{p}^{\dagger}U^{-1}(\Lambda) = \sqrt{\frac{E_{\Lambda p}}{E_p}}a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}

Can someone please point out my mistake?

Thanks.
 
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When performing a Lorentz transformation (or any other symmetry transformation for that matter) you should keep in mind that states transform according to:

|p\rangle \longrightarrow |p'\rangle = U|p\rangle

while operators transform according to:

a_p \longrightarrow a_p' = Ua_pU^{-1}

To see how this works out in your derivation you have to insert \mathbf{1} = U^{-1}U (= identity operator) in the following step:
<br /> \sqrt{2E_{p}}U(\Lambda) a_{p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle = \sqrt{2E_{p}}U(\Lambda) a_{p}^{\dagger}(U(\Lambda)^{-1}U(\Lambda))|0\rangle<br />

Next, we make the assumption that the vacuum state |0\rangle is unique and the same for all observers. In other words, it doesn't transform under a Lorentzboost:
U(\Lambda)|0\rangle = |0\rangle

What remains in the expression above is precisely the transformation rule of the operator.

One way to see why operators transform this way, is to consider a state made up out of multiple creation operators, i.e. |p_1,p_2\rangle. You'll find that under a Lorentz boost the transformation rule you derived will not work, while the other one does.
 
Thanks xepma.

xepma said:
Next, we make the assumption that the vacuum state |0\rangle is unique and the same for all observers. In other words, it doesn't transform under a Lorentzboost:
U(\Lambda)|0\rangle = |0\rangle

Now, I see that this assumption is the key. It seems intuitive, but what really is the basis for this assumption?
 
Shouldn't the transformation laws follow directly from the way Fock space is constructed? They look like the things you typically see in (multi)linear algebra.
 
Hi maverick280857! :smile:

(have a lambda: Λ :wink:)
maverick280857 said:
\sqrt{2E_{p}}U(\Lambda) a_{p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle = \sqrt{2E_{\Lambda p}} a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}|0\rangle

or

U(\Lambda)a_{p}^{\dagger} = \sqrt{\frac{E_{\Lambda p}}{E_p}}a_{\Lambda p}^{\dagger}

Short answer … you can't divide by |0> (and you did :wink:)

Slightly longer answer … |0> is Lorentz invariant, ie U(Λ)|0> = |0>, so U(Λ)|0> = U(Λ')|0> for any Λ and Λ', but that doesn't mean that U(Λ) = U(Λ') ! :smile:
 
maverick280857 said:
Now, I see that this assumption is the key. It seems intuitive, but what really is the basis for this assumption?

It means that vacuum stays vacuum (a state without particles) whatever reference frame you choose.

Or a ground state remains the grounds state in another reference frame.

Bob.
 
Bob_for_short said:
It means that vacuum stays vacuum (a state without particles) whatever reference frame you choose.

Or a ground state remains the grounds state in another reference frame.

Bob.

What I meant to ask was the following: We are explicitly enforcing this condition, viz. the ground state is Lorentz invariant. Can it ever happen that this condition is false?
 
tiny-tim said:
Short answer … you can't divide by |0> (and you did :wink:)

Lol, I feel dumb :-p. But yeah, I got it..thanks.
 
maverick280857 said:
What I meant to ask was the following: We are explicitly enforcing this condition, viz. the ground state is Lorentz invariant. Can it ever happen that this condition is false?

We always assume/postulate symmetries in physics, like the global phase transformation invariance, rotational invariance, translation invariance. Ask yourself and try to construct a framework where the vacuum is not a Lorentz Invariant.
 

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