Lost physics student problem with vectors

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving vector displacement and direction. The first problem involves determining the distance and direction Sir Killalot must move to intercept Dead Metal after it changes position. The second problem concerns a bug's displacement at a specific angle to the x-axis, requiring the calculation of its distance from the origin and the y component of its displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using geometric methods, such as drawing triangles and applying sine and cosine rules, to solve the problems. There is discussion about vector addition and resolution of components, with some participants expressing confusion over the preferred methods of their professor. Questions arise regarding how to determine angles and directions, as well as how to convert between polar and rectilinear coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problems, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on vector addition and the coordinate system. Some have made progress on the second problem, while others are still grappling with the first problem, indicating a mix of understanding and uncertainty. Guidance has been provided on how to approach the vector components and the conversion between coordinate systems.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the professor's preference for a specific method of vector addition, which some participants find challenging. The original poster expresses a desire for more elaboration on the concepts being discussed.

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Homework Statement


These are two problems my professor has given me to do. I'm not very good at physics and could use a little help.

1. Sir Killalot's foe Dead Metal is due north of Sir Killalot's position and at a distance of 12m. Dead Metal moves 15m at an angle of 30 degress to a new location. How far and in what direction should Sir Killalot move to intercept Dead Metal?

He gave us the answers, but I'm not sure how to find the solution
Answer: 23.4m @ 56.3 degrees

2. A bug has a displace ment along a line which make an angle of 70 degrees to the x axis. (a) How far from the origin must the bug be located so that its displacement from the origin has an x component of 45cm? (b) What is the y component of the bug's displacement?
Answer: (a) 132cm; (b) 124cm

My professor doesn't really care to elaborate. I'm just wondering how I would go about solving these two problems? Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Hi Wats! Welcome to PF! :wink:

Draw the triangle, then use geometry (cosine and sine rules) to find the length and/or angle you're looking for.

(alternatively, use x and y coordinates, if you know what that means)


Show us what you get. :smile:
 
I worked the both of them. I got number 2. I'm still having a little trouble with number 1. I'm not sure how to get the angle or direction he is going. Also I got 25.2 instead of 23.4. I like using the trig functions, but my professor, for whatever reasons, frowns upon them. He believe in adding and subtracting vectors, but adding and subtracting doesn't make much sense to me. I think the term he used for solving vector addition/subtraction problems was resolution components?
 
This is what my professor prefers- Dxy=Dx+Dy or Dx=Dx1+Dx2 and Dy=Dy1+Dy2
I don't particularly care for it, but I guess I have to play by his rules.
 
Place SK at the origin or your coordinate system. Draw a vector from there to DM's initial position. Call that [itex]\vec P_1[/itex]. What are the components of that vector? Now draw a vector from DM's initial position to his final position using the information given, and call it [itex]\vec P_2[/itex]. What are the components of that vector relative taking [itex]\vec P_1[/itex] as the origin? Now add the two vectors.
 
Hi Wats! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)​
Wats said:
This is what my professor prefers- Dxy=Dx+Dy or Dx=Dx1+Dx2 and Dy=Dy1+Dy2
I don't particularly care for it, but I guess I have to play by his rules.

yes, that's what i call adding components (or adding coordinates)

it's probably slightly more reliable …

but not so pretty​
I'm still having a little trouble with number 1. I'm not sure how to get the angle or direction he is going. Also I got 25.2 instead of 23.4.

show us what you did :smile:
 
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Sorry for such the large pictures. Tiny tim, could you explain to me how this coordinate process works? That's the part I don't understand about adding/subtracting vectors.
 
Hi Wats!

In (x,y) coordinates, the first vector is (0,d1), and the second vector is (d2cosθ,d2sinθ).

Then just add the coordinates. :wink:
 
Oh ok. I think I'm beginning to understand. I should of drawn another triangle with the unknown vector being the hypotenuse. How would i find alpha though?
 
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Consider a plane with the usual x-y coordinate system. Any point in the plane thus has two coordinates: x and y. A vector in the plane can be treated the same as a point: put its tail at the origin and its head will be at some point that will have x and y coordinates. These are called rectilinear coordinates.

You can also identify any point (or vector) using polar coordinates, that is, a distance and an angle (conventionally measured counter-clockwise from the x axis), conventionally called r and θ.

In this problem you are given the length and angle of a vector (the second vector), and you have to convert from polar to rectilinear coordinates in order to easily add the two vectors. The conversion is
[tex]\begin{align}<br /> x &= r \cos\theta\\<br /> y &= r\sin\theta.<br /> \end{align}[/tex]
All you have to do is convert the second vector and then add it to the first, then convert back to polar coordinates. That conversion should be obvious from the above equations.
 
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Wats said:
How would i find alpha though?

You mean the angle of the third vector?

If it's (A,B), then tanα = B/A. :wink:
 

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