LOTR trilogy is terribly overrated

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around opinions on the Lord of the Rings (LOTR) film trilogy, with participants expressing varied reactions to the movies compared to the original books. The scope includes personal experiences with the films, critiques of cinematic techniques, and reflections on the source material.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant found the first movie boring and criticized the CGI, labeling the trilogy as overrated.
  • Another participant expressed sympathy for those forced to watch all three films in one weekend, indicating a preference for a more gradual approach to the material.
  • Some participants suggested that reading the books before watching the movies provides a better understanding of the story and its nuances.
  • There are claims that the books contain a better story but are less enjoyable to read than the films are to watch.
  • Concerns were raised about the pacing of the films, with suggestions that significant portions could have been edited out.
  • One participant noted a perceived homosexual undertone in the films, which they felt was more pronounced in the books.
  • Critiques were made regarding the acting in the films, particularly the performances of Frodo and Sam Gamgee.
  • Some participants expressed a preference for the movies over the books, citing the latter's lengthy descriptions and additional content as detracting from the overall experience.
  • There were humorous exchanges about mutton, with one participant sharing a negative experience with the dish, while others made light-hearted comments about cooking it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the quality of the LOTR films versus the books, with multiple competing views on their merits. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which medium is superior.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express dissatisfaction with specific elements of the films, such as pacing and character portrayal, while others defend the adaptations. There is also a mix of personal anecdotes and broader critiques that highlight varying tastes and experiences.

  • #61
binzing said:
His stuff may be boring in parts or in total, depending upon your personal preferences, but he definitely took great care in detail and have backgrounds for hiw writing. IMO, one of the best writers of the 20th century.
At least, one of the most original ones, following his own peculiar vision to its end (and beyond).

And he most certainly is one of the best fantasy writers of all time.
 
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  • #62
arildno said:
At least, one of the most original ones, following his own peculiar vision to its end (and beyond).

And he most certainly is one of the best fantasy writers of all time.

Indeed his vision was to bring mythology back to the English, a mythology he'd thought we'd lost. If nothing else he created the genre on which Harry Potter owes its existence, and all the fantasy books of the early 20th century paled in significance to, although in fantasy were important. That said there were many books, but in his time fantasy was a dying art, now it's the most popular style of fiction in modern history. If you don't like it, well tough, there's always other mediums.
 
  • #63
Poop-Loops said:
He sings his enemies to death. That's the kind of power [insert crappy singer] only dreams of.

Phil Collins
 
  • #64
Chi Meson said:
Phil Collins

I think Phil Collins has actually killed people by singing to them.
 
  • #65
He's not that bad. But I think Genesis would have stayed around longer if Peter had stayed.
 
  • #66
binzing said:
He's not that bad. But I think Genesis would have stayed around longer if Peter had stayed.
Peter is killer. If you have nothing by Mr. Gabriel, buy "Shaking the Tree" and then start building around that collection. He is a creative genius.
 
  • #67
I've got that album and the new double one "Hits". He's great. I think Sledgehammer is really cool. Got the meaning? Should be obvious.
 
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  • #69
Actually I liked the soundtracks to the movies. Yeah, they have some weird stuff in the songs and literature of all of the different races in the books.
 
  • #70
You didn't follow that link, did you binzing? It's not from a soundtrack or any of the books, it's from the Final Frontier. :bugeye:
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  • #71
binzing said:
Actually I liked the soundtracks to the movies. Yeah, they have some weird stuff in the songs and literature of all of the different races in the books.

It's actually not really that weird, it's all just a mish mash of various European mythologies. If you know about those then it all tends to make sense. The fact that Riders of Rohan are horse warriors and believe in a hall of heroes for the dead and some of the Valar, kind of gives it away. Also all the Valar (Kind of like Archangles, under Eru:God) Are elemental or natural in their aspect. So you have Manwë( Lord of the Valar) Air, Varda (Lady of the Valar) Stars, Ulmo (The ocean lord) water, Yavanna (queen of the Earth) earth&nature, Aulë (chief Valar of the Dwarves, smith and maker of mountains wife of Yavana) earth, Namo (Lord of the dead) Death, Neinna (Sister of Namo: mourning, pity, suffering and endurance) Death, Oröme (Huntsman, horselord and tamer of beasts) nature, flora and fauna. These are the arch valar although there are lesser Valar of dance, valour and dreams and such. And of course last but not least of the dark lord of the Valar the source of much of the evil in Middle Earth Melkor (All powers of the Valar in part) darkness & cold, master of Sauron. Cast out into the void, in the wars of the Silmarillion.

Equally all the other races and customs, all make sense when you know the mythology behind it, which draws heavily, from Norse, Saxons, Gallic/Celtic, Hun, Goths, even in small part from Roman and Greek and others, and an array of his own invention. The peoples weren't meant to be such and such a race, but what he imagined a mythology with all sorts of ideas of his and historical mythology, would be like. With all the legends woven into history and the peoples and given their own Tolkien touch and imagination.
 
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