Magnatars (Hypothetical Question)

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of observing a magnetar, specifically focusing on the safe distance required to study its magnetic field without harm. Participants explore various aspects of magnetars, including their magnetic field strength, decay, and potential effects on materials, all within the context of a science fiction narrative.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the minimum safe distance from an older magnetar with a period of 8-10 seconds for observational purposes, considering the extreme strength of its magnetic field.
  • Another participant cites a Wikipedia article stating that the magnetic field of a magnetar could be lethal even at a distance of 1000 km, suggesting that it could affect electronic devices on Earth from halfway to the moon.
  • A participant expresses dissatisfaction with the Wikipedia article's depth and seeks more authoritative insights from astronomers or cosmologists.
  • One participant proposes that to estimate safe distance, three key pieces of information are needed: the strength of the magnetic field at a distance, the rate of decay of the magnetic field, and the survivable magnetic field strength for humans in a spaceship.
  • Using a hypothetical magnetic field strength of 10^10 tesla at the surface of the magnetar, another participant attempts calculations based on a dipole decay model and questions the validity of their assumptions when arriving at an impractical distance.
  • A participant questions whether a strong magnetic field would affect non-ferrous materials and discusses the visibility of magnetars, pondering if they emit light in the visual spectrum.
  • Another participant raises the issue of the alignment of the magnetic pole with the spin axis, suggesting that misalignment could lead to significant variations in the magnetic field and induce eddy currents in a metal hull, proposing the use of a superconductive shell for protection.
  • One participant speculates a minimum safe distance of 0.5 to 1 AUs but acknowledges this as a guess.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and calculations regarding the safe distance from a magnetar, but there is no consensus on specific values or the assumptions made in their reasoning. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the effects of magnetars and the feasibility of the proposed scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on several assumptions about the magnetic field's behavior, the survivability of materials, and the alignment of magnetic poles, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon. The discussion includes speculative elements that are not definitively established.

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This is a question for the astronomers and other scientists that have knowledge of magnatars. I am conducting some research for a science fiction novel, and I would like to be somewhat reasonable in my canon. Here is my question:

How many AUs would be the minimum safe distance from a somewhat older magnatar (older, because it has a period of say 8-10 seconds). The hypothetical purpose would be to observe/study its strong magnetic field and perhaps (again, science fiction so don't take this the wrong way) sap its angular momentum through reactive inductance by placing a load on the field.

I realize that this is so out of the ordinary, but it is a hard science fiction novel and I would appreciate any knowledge you could give in regard to this scenario. I realize that the magnetic fields of magnatars are unimaginably strong, so I am figuring it will have to be quite a distance.

Thanks in advance for any that take the time to seriously answer this question.

Humbly,
Ts.
 
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Here's wikipedia's page on Magnetars-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar"

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The magnetic field of a magnetar would be lethal even at a distance of 1000 km, tearing tissues due to the diamagnetism of water. At a distance halfway to the moon, a magnetar could strip information from all credit cards on Earth.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I had posted here because I felt the Wikipedia article on maganatars did not sufficiently answer my questions or give me a level of assurance. I was hoping to find an authoritative response from an astronomer or cosmologist before I based my entire novel around the concept.
 
I guess for a first approximation, the 3 pieces of information we need are
1) What is the strength of the magnetar's magnetic field at a given distance?
2) How fast does said magnetic field decay?
3) In how strong of a magnetic field can humans in a spaceship survive?

Now I am just doing some guess work: Let's take the magnetar's field to be 10^10 tesla at the magnetar's surface (R = 10km). I think it is reasonable to assume the field is like a dipole, and thus decays as 1/r^3. Finally, we need to do some guesswork as to what magnetic field a spaceship could withstand. This is probably pretty flexible for a sci-fi story though. But let's say it can withstand a magnetic pressure of 1000 atmospheres.

We then want to solve

[tex]\frac{B^2\left(r/10\textnormal{km}\right)^{-6}}{2\mu_0} = 1000\textnormal{atm}[/tex]

If I do this I get an answer of... 10^109 metres?!?... Well clearly I am either calculating wrong or one of my assumptions (most likely the dipole assumption) is wrong. Hopefully someone can add some insight to this post.
 
nicksauce said:
I guess for a first approximation, the 3 pieces of information we need are
1) What is the strength of the magnetar's magnetic field at a given distance?
2) How fast does said magnetic field decay?
3) In how strong of a magnetic field can humans in a spaceship survive?

Now I am just doing some guess work: Let's take the magnetar's field to be 10^10 tesla at the magnetar's surface (R = 10km). I think it is reasonable to assume the field is like a dipole, and thus decays as 1/r^3. Finally, we need to do some guesswork as to what magnetic field a spaceship could withstand. This is probably pretty flexible for a sci-fi story though. But let's say it can withstand a magnetic pressure of 1000 atmospheres.

We then want to solve

[tex]\frac{B^2\left(r/10\textnormal{km}\right)^{-6}}{2\mu_0} = 1000\textnormal{atm}[/tex]

If I do this I get an answer of... 10^109 metres?!?... Well clearly I am either calculating wrong or one of my assumptions (most likely the dipole assumption) is wrong. Hopefully someone can add some insight to this post.

Thank you for this reply. I have a question: will a strong magnetic field affect non-ferrous materials? For example, if the station were made of some type of material that did not interact with it, would it not then have affect on how deep within the field it was? (Notwithstanding gravity).

Also, are magnetars emissivity in the visual spectrum? Ie: would the depiction that an individual observing it from a safe distance seeing it "pulse" light a light house require viewing in upper bands of EM or would it be a visible dim white like that of neutron stars?

Thank you again, I apologize for these ignorant questions but they are very helpful in making this story seem at least plausible.
 
Dare we assume the magnetic pole is aligned with the spin axis ? If not, your intrepid explorers not only have the steady field, but a very significant cyclic variation. It would surely induce ferocious eddy currents in a metal hull. Perhaps you need to surround the crew area with a superconductive shell to repel the magnetic field and 'shield' the occupants ?
 
Nik_2213 said:
Dare we assume the magnetic pole is aligned with the spin axis ? If not, your intrepid explorers not only have the steady field, but a very significant cyclic variation. It would surely induce ferocious eddy currents in a metal hull. Perhaps you need to surround the crew area with a superconductive shell to repel the magnetic field and 'shield' the occupants ?

Hmm very interesting insight into that. I had naively assumed it would be aligned with the spin axis. I am thinking that a distance of 0.5 to 1 AUs is a minimum. But I am just guessing. Perhaps I am over thinking this. :)
 

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