Magnetic field due to current in straight wire(Biot-Savarts)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnetic field generated by a straight current-carrying wire, specifically addressing the application of the Biot-Savart law. Participants explore the nature of magnetic field lines, their contributions from different segments of the wire, and the implications of integrating these contributions to determine the magnetic field at a specific point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the magnetic field lines are concentric circles around a straight wire, questioning the contribution of points above and below a specific point (A) to the magnetic field at that point.
  • Others argue that the magnetic field at point A is the sum of contributions from all infinitesimal segments (##dl##) of the wire, necessitating integration across the entire length of the wire for an infinitely long wire or between specific limits for a finite wire.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how concentric magnetic field lines can intersect, prompting further clarification on the nature of magnetic field lines and their resultant direction.
  • One participant inquires about the magnetic field produced by an infinitely short current segment (##dl##) and whether it would still form concentric rings.
  • Another participant emphasizes that magnetic field lines do not intersect and clarifies that the direction of a magnetic field line at any point represents the resultant field at that point.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the basics of magnetic fields, suggesting that a small circuit element can exert a magnetic field at every point in its plane, which is perpendicular to that plane.
  • One participant points out that a straight line does not define a plane, indicating that there are infinitely many planes containing the current element.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of magnetic field lines and their contributions to the resultant magnetic field at a point. There is no consensus on the implications of concentric field lines and their intersection.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of magnetic field lines and their contributions from different segments of the wire may be missing or not fully articulated. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of the underlying concepts.

san203
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Hello.
The Magnetic Field lines are concentric circles for a Straight wire.Hence the points above and below point B should not contribute to the magnetic field at A.
So Why do we integrate the expression across the whole length of the wire to get magnetic field at point A?
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san203 said:
The Magnetic Field lines are concentric circles for a Straight wire.Hence the points above and below point B should not contribute to the magnetic field at A.

The "Hence" does not follow. The field at point A is the sum of contributions from all parts (infinitesimal segments of length ##dl##) of the wire. For an infinitely long wire (which is of course only an idealization) we integrate ##dl## from ##-\infty## to ##+\infty##. For a finitely long wire we integrate between some limits a and b.
 
jtbell said:
The "Hence" does not follow. The field at point A is the sum of contributions from all parts (infinitesimal segments of length ##dl##) of the wire. For an infinitely long wire (which is of course only an idealization) we integrate ##dl## from ##-\infty## to ##+\infty##. For a finitely long wire we integrate between some limits a and b.

So you mean that every dl part of the wire contributes to the net field. But isn't the magnetic field lines Concentric? How can they intersect?
 
What would the field look like around an infinitely short current segment dl?

Would it still form concentric rings, or would it be different?
 
The magnetic lines don't intersect.
 
Remember that a magnetic field line is a line whose direction at every point is the direction of the RESULTANT field at that point. Just because the circle is centred at one point on the wire doesn't mean that that point is responsible by itself for the field line.
 
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Philip Wood said:
Remember that a magnetic field line is a line whose direction at every point is the direction of the RESULTANT field at that point. Just because the circle is centred at one point on the wire doesn't mean that that point is responsible by itself for the field line.

I seemed to have overlooked that part. Maybe i am not thorough with the basics.
So, i guess a small circuit element is able to exert magnetic field at every point in its plane and that magnetic field is perpendicular the plane?
 
Yes. The only nitpick is that a straight line doesn't define a plane. There are an infinite number of planes which contain the element.
 
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