Magnetic field inside a Hollow asymmetrical cylinder

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an asymmetric hollow cylinder with a hole drilled through it, where the hole is displaced from the cylinder's axis. The cylinder has a uniform current density along the z-axis, and the task is to show that the magnetic field inside the hole is uniform and to derive its expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Ampere's law and the challenges posed by the asymmetrical nature of the cylinder. Some suggest using superposition of magnetic fields from the intact and displaced cylinders. Others express confusion about the relationship between the magnetic field and the current density.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the potential use of the Biot-Savart law. Participants are questioning the completeness of the information provided in the original post and are considering the implications of the current density's direction on the magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the original problem may lack certain details regarding the current densities and their alignment, which could affect the analysis. There is also mention of the difficulty in applying Ampere's law due to the geometry of the setup.

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Homework Statement



A cylinder of radius a has a hole drilled through it of radius b, the hole is parallel to the axis of the cylinder but is displaced from it
by a distance d in the x-direction where d < a - b. The asymmetric hollow cylinder has a uniform current density J = Jzez
Show that the magnetic field inside the hole is uniform and show that
B = (μ0/2)Jzdey

Homework Equations



Amperes law?

The Attempt at a Solution



I am at a complete loss, I don't know how to use ampere's law for something that is asymmetrical. Any ideas on how I should approach it?
 
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Use Ampere's law twice. Get an expression for the magnetic field (in cartesian coordinates) for an intact cylinder and one for the displaced cylinder. Using superposition add both vector fields.
 
How is this going to result in B parallel or antiparallel to J? I am stumped.
 
I think information given is only part of the question, that the current densities are antiparallel aligned along the z-axis and of the same magnitude.
 
B will not be parallel to J, it is perpendicular. (Remember the right hand rule?) In your post, you note that J is along z and you are to show that B is uniform and along y.
 
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I'm not saying B is parallel or antiparallel to J, but the original post doesn't give all the facts, rather a current density of \textbf{J}=J\textbf{e}_z along the z-axis of a full cylinder plus the smaller clyinder displaced by d on the x-axis of \textbf{J}=-J\textbf{e}_z in the opposite direction. Adding the field of the full cylinder and the offset one should give the expression for B.
 
bobred, my comment was directed to turin, who did say that B is aligned with J in post #3.
 
Appolpgies marcusl.
 
Sorry for the confusion, y'all. I was squinting when I first read the original post, and all I saw were z's. I tried to delete my post when I realized the ey in the expression for B, but apparently I'm not allowed to delete it.

(Oh ya, and thanks to marcusl for replying to my question.)
 
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turin said:
Sorry for the confusion, y'all. I was squinting when I first read the original post, and all I saw were z's. I tried to delete my post when I realized the ey in the expression for B, but apparently I'm not allowed to delete it.

(Oh ya, and thanks to marcusl for replying to my question.)

I was wondering if you could help me with the magnetic field on the plane of the two axes. would it be the same as the hole?
 
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mekansm said:

Homework Statement



A cylinder of radius a has a hole drilled through it of radius b, the hole is parallel to the axis of the cylinder but is displaced from it
by a distance d in the x-direction where d < a - b. The asymmetric hollow cylinder has a uniform current density J = Jzez
Show that the magnetic field inside the hole is uniform and show that
B = (μ0/2)Jzdey

Homework Equations



Amperes law?

The Attempt at a Solution



I am at a complete loss, I don't know how to use ampere's law for something that is asymmetrical. Any ideas on how I should approach it?

The only way I can think of doing this is via Biot-Savart. A bit complex but doable that way.

Maybe solving del x B = 0 could be done but I don't know how.

I don't see how Ampere could be of any use. Any loop you put in the cavity will have a zero circulation integral of B dot dl.
 
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bobred said:
I'm not saying B is parallel or antiparallel to J, but the original post doesn't give all the facts, rather a current density of \textbf{J}=J\textbf{e}_z along the z-axis of a full cylinder plus the smaller clyinder displaced by d on the x-axis of \textbf{J}=-J\textbf{e}_z in the opposite direction. Adding the field of the full cylinder and the offset one should give the expression for B.

EDIT: my apologies also, bobred! I didn't get your idea at first. Now I think it's got great potential, so to speak :biggrin: .

Put the large cylinder along z with cross-sectional center at x=y=0. Assume it's solid. Then the field is known everywhere inside the solid cylinder using Ampere, including where the hollow part sits.

Then, remove the solid cylinder and replace it with a solid cylinder with the shape and location of the hole, same current density except the current goes along
-z instead of +z. Again, the field is readily established using Ampere.

Then superpose the two B fields.

Elegant - thanks bobred!
 
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