Magnetic Field involving solenoids

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The problem involves two long ideal solenoids with different radii, where the inner solenoid is observed to have a zero magnetic field. Participants are tasked with determining the relationship between the currents in the two solenoids based on this observation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for the magnetic field inside a solenoid and question whether the magnetic fields from both solenoids can be added. There is an exploration of the implications of the radii of the solenoids on the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and guidance regarding the magnetic field formula, while others are exploring the implications of the currents being equal or opposite. There is a lack of consensus on the correct answer, but productive discussion is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that the number of turns per unit length is the same for both solenoids, and there is a consideration of whether the radii affect the magnetic field in this context.

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Homework Statement



Two long ideal solenoids (with radii 20 mm and 30 mm respectively) carry the same number of turnes of wire per unit length. The smaller solenoid is mounted inside the larger, along a common axis. It is observed that the magnetic field within the inner solenoid is zero. The current in the inner solenoid must be:

A. two-thirds the current in the outer solenoid
B. one-third the current in the outer solenoid
C. twice the current in the outer solenoid
D. half the current in the outer solenoid
E. the same as the current in the outer solenoid

This one is hard. If you could please provide an explanation with the answer so I could better understand this.
THanks in advance.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Right now I'm ruling out answer A.
 
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Hi McAfee! :smile:
McAfee said:
Two long ideal solenoids (with radii 20 mm and 30 mm respectively) carry the same number of turnes of wire per unit length. The smaller solenoid is mounted inside the larger, along a common axis. It is observed that the magnetic field within the inner solenoid is zero.

Call the currents I and J.

Hint: what is the formula for the magnetic field inside a current-carrying solenoid?

And can we just add the fields?
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi McAfee! :smile:Call the currents I and J.

Hint: what is the formula for the magnetic field inside a current-carrying solenoid?

And can we just add the fields?

The formula is B = μ_o*i*n

n is the number of turns
and yes
 
yup! :smile:

so what's the total equation, and is it A B C D or E ? :wink:
 
20mm = .02
30mm = .03

assuming that I can ignore n because it will be the same for both.
Would it be E because the radii doesn't play a role in the equation?
 
sorry, i missed your post :redface:
McAfee said:
assuming that I can ignore n because it will be the same for both.
Would it be E because the radii doesn't play a role in the equation?

yes the radii don't matter,

so if (case E) the currents are equal (and opposite), then the magnetic field inside the inner solenoid will be zero :smile:
 

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