Magnetic fields and wire current

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The discussion revolves around magnetic fields and the forces acting on charged particles, specifically focusing on a straight wire carrying a current and its interaction with an electron and a singly ionized atom. The participants are exploring the calculations related to the force on the electron and the motion of the ion in a magnetic field.

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  • Participants are attempting to identify the relevant formulas for calculating the magnetic field and the force on a charged particle. There are discussions about the relationship between potential difference and kinetic energy for the ion, and questions about the constants involved in the calculations.

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Hello, I'm in trouble, I have no idea what to do/look for the formula to solve these 2 questions.

Please help and guide

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A straight wire has a current of 15 A vertically upwards, in a vacuum. An electron, presently 0.10 m from the wire moves at a speed of 5.0 x 106 m/s. Its instantaneous velocity is parallel to the wire but downward. Calculate the magnitude and direction of the force on the electron. Will this force remain constant?


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A singly ionized atom of mass 3.9 x 10-25 kg is accelerated through a potential difference of 1.0 x 105 V.

a) Calculate its maximum speed.
b) What is the radius of the path it would take if injected at this speed and at 90 degrees into a uniform magnetic field of magnitude 0.10 T?
 
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xeannart said:
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A straight wire has a current of 15 A vertically upwards, in a vacuum. An electron, presently 0.10 m from the wire moves at a speed of 5.0 x 106 m/s. Its instantaneous velocity is parallel to the wire but downward. Calculate the magnitude and direction of the force on the electron. Will this force remain constant?

What you need here is to find the force exerted on the electron which is given by? (Hint: Force exerted on a charged particle(Q) moving with a velocity(v) in a magnetic field(B))
What is the formula for the magnetic field around a long straight current carrying conductor?
xeannart said:
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A singly ionized atom of mass 3.9 x 10-25 kg is accelerated through a potential difference of 1.0 x 105 V.

a) Calculate its maximum speed.
b) What is the radius of the path it would take if injected at this speed and at 90 degrees into a uniform magnetic field of magnitude 0.10 T?
For this one...All the energy supplied by the p.d. goes into increasing the kinetic energy of the ions. (I am assuming that this is a mass spec. thing)
 
rock.freak667 said:
What you need here is to find the force exerted on the electron which is given by? (Hint: Force exerted on a charged particle(Q) moving with a velocity(v) in a magnetic field(B))
What is the formula for the magnetic field around a long straight current carrying conductor?

For this one...All the energy supplied by the p.d. goes into increasing the kinetic energy of the ions. (I am assuming that this is a mass spec. thing)

For the first question it's these 2 equations right?
B = m(I/(2pi*r))
F = qVB*Sin(90)

I can plug the values in, but I'm missing mu (m). can anyone tell me it?


For the 2nd question, it's the centrepedial force equals the force of the electrons right?

qVB sin(90) = mv^2/r
 
mu is 4*pi*10^-7.

For the second one, you seem to be on track with it.
 
All of which is in your text!
Edmund
 
So for the first question the math is like this

B = m(I/(2pi*r))
B = 4*pi*e-7(15/(2pi*0.1)) = 3e-5
F = qVB*Sin(90)
F = (1.6e-19)(5e6)(3e-5)(1) = 2.4e-17 N

And so if upward is positive, this would point upward?For the second question, the math would be like this?
a)
(1/2)mv^2 = Vq
v = 2.86e5

b)
qVB sin(90) = mv^2/r
qVB = mv^2/r
r = (mv^2)/(qVB)
r = (3.9e-25*(2.86e5^2))/((1.6e-19)(1e5)(0.1)) = 19.93 m

please check...

Oh i was wondering is mu a constant? where does this number (4*pi*e-7) come from?
V in qVB is speed right?
 
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\mu_0 is called the permeability of free space, a defined constant.
It is not measured, it's defined as: \mu_0 = 4 \pi \times 10^{-7}

It is also related to the vacuum permittivity \epsilon_0 and the speed of light in a vacuum c_0:
c_0^2 \mu_0 \epsilon_0 = 1
 
Nick89 said:
\mu_0 is called the permeability of free space, a defined constant.
It is not measured, it's defined as: \mu_0 = 4 \pi \times 10^{-7}

It is also related to the vacuum permittivity \epsilon_0 and the speed of light in a vacuum c_0:
c_0^2 \mu_0 \epsilon_0 = 1

ahh i c. thx


for question 1, do we need to find the values for V using qVB=(1/2)mv^2/r before pluging it into F = qVB??
 

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