Magnetic flux given magnetic field and sides (using variables)

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The discussion revolves around calculating magnetic flux given a magnetic field that varies with position. The subject area includes concepts from electromagnetism, specifically focusing on magnetic fields and their interaction with surfaces.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between magnetic flux and the area and magnetic field strength. Questions arise regarding the definitions of variables used in the flux equation and the implications of varying magnetic field strength across the area of interest.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about the magnetic field's uniformity and exploring the need for an average value of the magnetic field across the area. Some guidance has been provided regarding the calculation of average magnetic field strength.

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There is mention of the original poster's class being algebra-based, which may influence the methods discussed. Additionally, there is confusion regarding the notation used for the magnetic field, particularly concerning subscripts.

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Homework Statement
A square loop of sides "a" lies in the yz plane with one corner at the origin. A varying magnetic field B = ky. points in the positive x direction and passes through the loop (k is a constant). The magnetic flux through the loop is: ##ka^3/2## or ##ka^3/3## or ##ka^2/2## or ##ka^2## or none of the above.
Relevant Equations
##Magnetic~flux=ABcos\theta##
##B=k_y##
##A= a^2##
I know the answer is ##ka^3/2##. I got ##ka^2## and I don't know how to get the right answer. I saw an explanation using integrals, but my class is algebra-based. My attempt:
##Flux=ABcos\theta##. I figure ##cos\theta## is 1 because the angle between the magnetic field and the normal to the plane is 0.
##Flux=AB##
##Flux=ka^2##
Please point me in the right direction. Thank you!
 

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cestlavie said:
##Flux=AB##
##Flux=ka^2##
In going from the first equation to the second equation, what did you use for ##A## and what did you use for ##B##?
 
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TSny said:
In going from the first equation to the second equation, what did you use for ##A## and what did you use for ##B##?
@TSny I used ##a^2## for A and ##k## for B. B is technically ##k_y## but the answer options do not include the subscript.
 
cestlavie said:
@TSny I used ##a^2## for A and ##k## for B. B is technically ##k_y## but the answer options do not include the subscript.
I don't think ##y## is a subscript. The magnetic field varies with position as ##B = ky##. At the left side of the square where ##y = 0##, you have ##B = 0##. At the right side where ##y = a##, you have ##B = ka##.
 
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TSny said:
I don't think ##y## is a subscript. The magnetic field varies with position as ##B = ky##. At the left side of the square where ##y = 0##, you have ##B = 0##. At the right side where ##y = a##, you have ##B = ka##.
@TSny My professor formatted y as a subscript -_-. That explains the cubed value, but I still don't see where 0.5 comes from. If ##B=ky## and ##A=a^2##:
##Flux = BA = (ka)(a^2) = ka^3##
 
cestlavie said:
@TSny
##Flux = BA = (ka)(a^2) = ka^3##
Here you substituted ##B = ka##. But that's the value of ##B## at the far right edge of the square. For most of the square, the B-field is not that strong. You'll need to think about an appropriate average value of B to use.
 
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TSny said:
Here you substituted ##B = ka##. But that's the value of ##B## at the far right edge of the square. For most of the square, the B-field is not that strong. You'll need to think about an appropriate average value of B to use.
@TSny Got it. So they used ##B=\frac {k^a} {2}## for the average value, resulting in the answer with 0.5.
 
cestlavie said:
@TSny Got it. So they used ##B=\frac {k^a} {2}## for the average value, resulting in the answer with 0.5.
Yes. Nice work.
 

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