Magnetic Force of a copper wire

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The problem involves a suspended copper wire affected by magnetic forces from two parallel wires carrying current. The objective is to determine the necessary current in the suspended wire to maintain its position against gravitational forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the magnetic force and the weight of the suspended wire, questioning the need for length in calculations and exploring the weight per unit length derived from the wire's volume and density.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the balance of forces acting on the suspended wire. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to resolve forces into components and the consideration of angles in the setup.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the provided information about the length of the wire, and participants are clarifying the necessary parameters for their calculations.

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Homework Statement



The top wire is 1.00 mm diameter copper wire and is suspended in air due to the two magnetic forces from the bottom two wires. The current flow through the two bottom wires is 95 A in each. Calculate the required current flow in the suspended wire.

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Homework Equations


Force between two parallel wires is
F2= u0I1I2l2/(2*pi*d)

The Attempt at a Solution


Fm = Fnp
Fm = u0*95 A * 95 A * l2/(2*pi* .038 m)

But they do give me length...
 
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Kandycat said:

Homework Statement



The top wire is 1.00 mm diameter copper wire and is suspended in air due to the two magnetic forces from the bottom two wires. The current flow through the two bottom wires is 95 A in each. Calculate the required current flow in the suspended wire.

2u3v8sm.jpg


Homework Equations


Force between two parallel wires is
F2= u0I1I2l2/(2*pi*d)

The Attempt at a Solution


Fm = Fnp
Fm = u0*95 A * 95 A * l2/(2*pi* .038 m)

But they do give me length...

They do or do not give you length? (You don't need it.)

But you do need to develop the weight per unit length of the top wire from the volume of the copper and its density. m*g = ρ*v*g per unit length.

The force of the B field however is a vector that you need to resolve into the distances and angles from the 2 wires below that are supporting it.

Figure the angle to the vertical is 30° for an equilateral triangle in this configuration, so vertically you will have 2*F*cos30° as your upward force from the magnetic field where F is determined by the Force relationship for 2 || wires.
 
So are you saying that 2*F*cos30 = ρ*v*g?
 
Kandycat said:
So are you saying that 2*F*cos30 = ρ*v*g?

After a fashion I suppose, taking care to get the unit length accounted for.

You should draw out the vectors and satisfy yourself that the components add in this way.
 

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