Magnitude of velocity and impulse

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the collision and subsequent motion of two football players, focusing on concepts such as velocity, impulse, and forces acting on the players during their slide on a field surface. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically dynamics and kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss the free-body diagram and the forces acting on the players, questioning the relevance of friction in purely horizontal motion. There are attempts to clarify definitions of forces and the implications of assuming horizontal motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding friction and the forces involved. Some participants are seeking clarification on the terms used in the problem, while others are exploring alternative approaches to the calculations without reaching a consensus.

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There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions of no air resistance and constant force, as well as the nature of the playing surface in terms of friction. Participants are also considering the implications of these assumptions on the problem-solving process.

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In one of MSU’s seven sacks, MSU linebacker Denicos Allen sacked UM quarterback Devin Gardner. Just prior to being sacked, the quarterback was at rest. Just after they collided, the two players were momentarily stuck together and both slide a distance of 1.5 m before coming to a stop. In addition, assume this motion was purely horizontal. Denico Allen’s mass was 103.3 kg and Devin Gardner’s mass was 92.8 kg.

(a) Draw a free-body diagram of Denicos Allen and Devin Gardner as they slide as one body along the field surface of Spartan Stadium.

(b) The acceleration of the two players due to the frictional force is 2.45 m/s2. What was the magnitude of the velocity of the two players immediately after their collision?

(c) What was the total impulse delivered to the two players during their slide?

(d) What was the magnitude of the velocity of Denicos Allen just before he sacked the quarterback?

(e) In answer (d), what assumption did you make?

Homework Equations


p=mv
F=ma
F= p/t
v=d/t
a= v/t
Ffriction=uN

The Attempt at a Solution



(a) Draw a free-body diagram of Denicos Allen and Devin Gardner as they slide as one body along the field surface of Spartan Stadium.

Force going down: mass*gravity
Force going up: force of players
Force going to left: friction
Force going to right: Force of Denicos Allen

If you assume the motion is purely horizontal, then would you disregard frictional force?****(b) The acceleration of the two players due to the frictional force is 2.45 m/s2. What was the magnitude of the velocity of the two players immediately after their collision?

v=sqrt((m1v1/(m1+2))^2+(m2v2/(m1+v2))^2)
v=sqrt((103.3*2.45/196.1)^2+(92.8*2.45/196.1)^2) = 1.735m/s

(c) What was the total impulse delivered to the two players during their slide?

p=mv
p= 196.1*1.735= 340.2335 kg*m/s

(d) What was the magnitude of the velocity of Denicos Allen just before he sacked the quarterback?

vf=vi+(Fnet/m)*time

Im not sure how to find time(e) In answer (d), what assumption did you make?

No air resistance, gravity 9.81m/s^2, constant force
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Force going down: mass*gravity
Force going up: force of players <<<1
Force going to left: friction
Force going to right: Force of Denicos Allen

If you assume the motion is purely horizontal, then would you disregard frictional force? <<<2

1> What does "force of players" mean?
2> s Spartan Stadium playing field really a frictionless playing surface?

I'm not sure how to find time
You may not need it ... is there another approach to the problem?
 
... and what is "force of Denicos Allen"?
 
1)I think you wouldn't consider friction because it says "If you assume the motion is purely horizontal"
2)force of players would just be their masses
3)How does my work look for the other parts?
 
Westin said:
1)I think you wouldn't consider friction because it says "If you assume the motion is purely horizontal"
I have no idea what logic leads you to that conclusion. If there were no friction, the players would slide forever.
Westin said:
2)force of players would just be their masses
A mass is not a force. If you mean the gravitational force resulting from their masses, you've already covered that:
Westin said:
Force going down: mass*gravity
Force going up: force of players
They'd be the same thing, right? Both acting downwards.
 
What makes you think that purely horizontal motion implies no friction?
Perhaps you have been told that friction requires surface roughness, and so imagine an up-down jiggling would be present?
http://amasci.com/miscon/miscon4.html#fric
 

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