Magnitudes of the sum of two vectors

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The discussion centers on the validity of the statement that if the magnitude of vector a+b equals the magnitude of vector a+c, then the magnitudes of vectors b and c must be equal. The consensus among participants is that this statement is false, as demonstrated through visual diagrams and counterexamples. The reasoning provided in the textbook, which claims the statement is true based on the properties of parallelograms, is deemed incorrect. Participants emphasize that the statement fails even in one-dimensional cases.

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This is a question that I saw in a textbook:

"If the magnitude of a+b equals the magnitude of a+c then this implies that the magnitudes of b and c are equal. Is this true or false?"

The textbook says that this statement is true, but I'm inclined to believe it is false. I made a quick sketch to show my thinking visually.
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I drew these diagrams to scale, so vector a is the same in each case and the lengths of a+b and a+c are in fact equal (both 5 cm). It's clear to me that b and c are different lengths/magnitudes here. I'm not sure if the text made an error (not unheard of) or if I made an incorrect assumption somewhere. Thanks!
 
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Suppose a=(2,0), b=(1,0), c=(-5,0) ...
 
So your diagram isn't all that different than mine, so I take it then that the textbook is incorrect and the statement is false?

Here's the book's entire reasoning:

"true; |a+b| and |a+c| both represent the lengths of the diagonal of a parallelogram, the first with sides a and b and the second with sides a and c; since both parallelograms have a as a side and diagonals of equal length |b|=|c|"
 
keroberous said:
So your diagram isn't all that different than mine, so I take it then that the textbook is incorrect and the statement is false?

Here's the book's entire reasoning:

"true; |a+b| and |a+c| both represent the lengths of the diagonal of a parallelogram, the first with sides a and b and the second with sides a and c; since both parallelograms have a as a side and diagonals of equal length |b|=|c|"
It's hard to think of anything more wrong!

It's not even true in one dimension!
 
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Maybe you should get different textbook?

Edit: Oops. I just noticed this was a question in the book, not a statement. It's just a typo. So - never mind...
 
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PeroK said:
It's hard to think of anything more wrong!

It's not even true in one dimension!
I'm glad I wasn't going crazy!

DaveE said:
Maybe you should get different textbook?
If only that was an option. lol

Thanks!
 
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