Making a heat shield for my car's exhaust

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and construction of a heat shield for a car's exhaust system, specifically aimed at protecting fuel lines from heat. Participants explore various aspects of heat transfer, materials, and design considerations in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a design involving a stainless steel shield with an air gap, questioning whether sandblasting one side and polishing the other is appropriate.
  • Another participant suggests that the shield should maintain a clearance from both the exhaust and fuel lines, proposing that airflow will cool the shield effectively.
  • A participant introduces the concept of radiant energy and its implications for heat transfer between the exhaust and the shield.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the shield blocks direct infrared radiation, which heats the shield that is then cooled by airflow, emphasizing the importance of convection over radiation for cooling.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential fire hazard from dry grass caught between the exhaust pipe and the shield, particularly near catalytic converters.
  • One participant questions the necessity of modifying a standard vehicle design, prompting another to clarify their motivation for adding auxiliary fuel tanks and lines.
  • There is a proposal to treat one side of the heat shield as a black body to reradiate energy back to the exhaust side while minimizing radiation towards the fuel side.
  • Another participant argues that polishing both sides of the stainless steel shield could minimize heat transfer from the exhaust to the fuel lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various design choices, such as the treatment of the shield's surfaces and the necessity of the modification itself. No consensus is reached on the optimal approach to constructing the heat shield.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions regarding heat transfer mechanisms, the role of airflow, and the implications of material properties, but these aspects remain unresolved and contingent on specific design choices.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive engineering, heat transfer principles, and custom vehicle modifications may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,

I'm just wanting to make sure I remember this correctly.

I have a hot exhaust pipe I want to shield from fuel lines.

So I have a shield (stainless) that is going 1/2 way around the exhaust, with an air gap of about 1". I want to sand blast the side facing the heat and polish the side facing the fuel. Right? (I will also insulate around the fuel lines.)

Did I remember this correctly?

Thanks
 
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matt621 said:
So I have a shield (stainless) that is going 1/2 way around the exhaust, with an air gap of about 1".
The shield should not be too close to either exhaust or to the fuel lines. 1" clearance suggests they are 2" apart, with the shield in the middle.

matt621 said:
I want to sand blast the side facing the heat and polish the side facing the fuel. Right?
I see no reason why the sides should be different. The shield will be cooled by airflow. It might be an advantage to mirror the side closest to the exhaust pipe, which would reduce the temperature of the shield, while increasing the temperature of the exhaust pipe.

Insulation of fuel lines is a separate issue. The fuel lines are cooled by internal circulation of the fuel, and externally by airflow.
 
I'm considering radiant energy.
 
The shield operates by blocking direct IR radiation, heating the stainless steel shield, that is then cooled by both airflow and some minor radiation. Cooling the shield by convection is much greater than cooling by radiation, so the shield has a low temperature compared to the exhaust pipe surface. It will be warm if touched. An air-cooled shield is sometimes called a "stove".

Stainless steel does not rapidly accumulate dirt and rust that might reduce reflection, or insulate the metal shield from airflow.

Dry grass that is caught between the exhaust pipe and the shield can start fires. That is especially true where catalytic converters are involved.

It should not matter which way the energy is crossing an impedance mismatch. The transmission and reflection coefficients will be of the same magnitude.
 
matt621 said:
I have a hot exhaust pipe I want to shield from fuel lines.
Are you custom-building a vehicle? If this is a standard production vehicle, why would you want to make this modification? What is the motivation for changing a proven design?
 
To berkeman:

I'm adding an aux. fuel tank and lines to an existing vehicle. I also have a race car (with turbo) that is fabbed. So this issues comes up more than once. :-)

To Baluncore:

Yes, thanks. My thought was to make one side of the heat shield more like a black body and the other side a "white body". Ie, limit the radiation on the fuel side. Reradiating the energy back to the exhaust side is preferred to radiating it to the fuel side. There is also a fuel tank in that area so I want to keep it as cool as possible. And yes, air flow is good in this area.

Thanks for the answers. Best forum on the net for science questions. :cool:
 
matt621 said:
My thought was to make one side of the heat shield more like a black body and the other side a "white body". Ie, limit the radiation on the fuel side.
The heat transfer from exhaust to fuel lines will be minimised if you polish both sides of the stainless steel.
 

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