Making a short test for self-adjointness

In summary, the conversation discusses a self-adjoint test in MATLAB using the command "int" for indefinite integrals. The test is applied to two square integrable functions, but it is noted that the operator may not be self-adjoint for all functions. A suggestion is made to use definite integrals for the inner product. The conversation concludes with a discussion about finding a pair of functions that would work for the test.
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SemM
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Hi, I made the following command in MATLAB to test for the following:

\begin{equation}
\langle T\psi,\phi\rangle=\langle \psi, T\phi\rangle
\end{equation}

%Self-adjoint test
syms x
a = (diff(exp(-x^2)))*exp(-2*x^2)
b = (diff(exp(-2*x^2)))*exp(-x^2)
W = int(a, x)
P = int(b, x)
O=W-P

and it is tested on two square integrable functions. Can someone validate that this is OK?
 
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No. Just because it is valid for a specific pair of functions doesn't mean that it will be true for all functions.
 
  • #3
So one needs to add that if ##O \ne 0## then the operator is not self-adjoint.
 
  • #4
SemM said:
So one needs to add that if ##O \ne 0## then the operator is not self-adjoint.
Yes, you can use it for counterproofs.

I am not very familiar with symbolic manipulations in Matlab, but the way you use int appears to be for indefinite integrals, not a definite integral as it should be for the inner product.
 
  • #5
DrClaude said:
Yes, you can use it for counterproofs.

I am not very familiar with symbolic manipulations in Matlab, but the way you use int appears to be for indefinite integrals, not a definite integral as it should be for the inner product.

Sure. trying the following function on the differential operator (d/dx) on the two given functions in the space 0-2pi:

%Self-adjoint test
syms x
a = (diff(exp(-x^2)))*exp(-2*x^2)
b = (diff(exp(-2*x^2)))*exp(-x^2)
W = int(a, 0, 2*pi)
P = int(b, 0, 2*pi)
O = W-PGives:

1/3 - exp(-12*pi^2)/3

So these two functions are either inadmissible, or the operator is not self adjoint. Of course the latter is ridiculous, but in order to try, can you give me a pair of functions that should work?
 

1. What is a self-adjoint operator?

A self-adjoint operator is a linear operator on a Hilbert space that is equal to its own adjoint. In other words, the operator and its adjoint have the same action on any vector in the space.

2. Why is it important to have a short test for self-adjointness?

Having a short test for self-adjointness is important because it allows us to quickly and efficiently determine whether an operator is self-adjoint or not, without having to go through the lengthy process of finding its adjoint and checking for equality.

3. What is the process for making a short test for self-adjointness?

The process for making a short test for self-adjointness involves finding a set of necessary and sufficient conditions that can be easily checked for a given operator. This can involve using properties of the operator, such as symmetry or Hermiticity, to determine if it is self-adjoint.

4. Are there any limitations to using a short test for self-adjointness?

Yes, there are some limitations to using a short test for self-adjointness. Some operators may require more complex tests or calculations to determine if they are self-adjoint, and in these cases, a short test may not be sufficient.

5. Can a non-self-adjoint operator be made self-adjoint with a short test?

No, a short test for self-adjointness can only determine if an operator is already self-adjoint or not. It cannot change the properties of the operator or make a non-self-adjoint operator become self-adjoint.

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