Making Dry Ice at Home: Pressure & Temperature Explained

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The discussion focuses on the process of making dry ice at home, specifically examining the pressure and temperature conditions required for the solidification of carbon dioxide (CO2). It is established that liquid CO2 is stored in fire extinguishers at approximately 72.9 atm and room temperature (around 31°C). Upon discharge, the pressure drops to 1 atm, allowing the liquid to boil and cool rapidly, resulting in the formation of dry ice at a temperature not exceeding -78.5°C at 1 atm. Understanding the phase diagram of CO2 is crucial for grasping these concepts.

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  • Understanding of CO2 phase diagram
  • Knowledge of sublimation and deposition processes
  • Familiarity with pressure and temperature relationships in gases
  • Basic principles of thermodynamics related to phase changes
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  • Study the CO2 phase diagram in detail
  • Research the thermodynamic properties of carbon dioxide
  • Learn about the heat of vaporization and its effects on temperature changes
  • Explore the applications of dry ice in various industries
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This discussion is beneficial for chemists, hobbyists interested in home experiments, and anyone seeking to understand the principles behind the production of dry ice and its applications.

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what is Deposition, also known as desublimation, point of CO2 is it room temperature? i don't think so then how can we obtain this at room temperature as in this video and what pressure is required to solidify co2,is it 1 atm ?i don't think so then how we obtain this in a room as in above mentioned video.
i have searched a lot and came to know that
The process is not at room temperature .The extinguisher contains liquid CO2 at room temperature and several atmospheres pressure. When it is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere and, as it falls, the liquid boils. The heat of vaporization greatly cools the expanding CO2 and it solidifies.is this much right?and i am still confused about pressure.When high pressure CO2 liquid is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere ,but what is the pressure when CO2 solidifies ?1 atm?how?
 
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Process takes place at approximately 1 atm.
 
Borek said:
Process takes place at approximately 1 atm.
thanks .you mean when dry ice is formed from fire extinguisher pressure is1 atm.and what about temperature?he process is not at room temperature .The extinguisher contains liquid CO2 at room temperature and several atmospheres pressure. When it is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere and, as it falls, the liquid boils. The heat of vaporization greatly cools the expanding CO2 and it solidifies.is this much right?
 
You are mostly right. How far the temperature drops is not easy to calculate, but we know it has to be at least sublimation temperature for the dry ice.

Please pay attention to punctuation, as at the moment your posts are annoyingly difficult to read. There should be a space after every punctuation mark, and phrases should start with a capital letter.
 
Borek said:
You are mostly right. How far the temperature drops is not easy to calculate, but we know it has to be at least sublimation temperature for the dry ice.

Please pay attention to punctuation, as at the moment your posts are annoyingly difficult to read. There should be a space after every punctuation mark, and phrases should start with a capital letter.
Thanks. From now onwards i will take care of my punctuations.
 
We need the phase diagram to understand what's going on...

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So...the fire extinguisher is at room temperature, let's say 31C...If we follow the temp line up we see the pressure in the cylinder is 72.9 Atm... the cylinder contains liquid CO2 and gaseous CO2.

When the fire extinguisher is operated the liquid exits the cylinder and finds itself at 1 Atm. it boils , giving off CO2 gas and rapidly cools .
At 1Atm only solid and gaseous CO2 exist. Same at 5 Atm., but if we did this on a planet with 6Atm. pressure we get liquid and gaseous CO2 and perhaps some solid CO2.

At 1Atm dry ice cannot be hotter than -78.5C and at 5.1 Atm. dry ice cannot be hotter than -56.7C

All your questions can be answered by carefully studying the phase diagram.
 
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