Mapping a general curve onto a bijection.

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The problem involves a general curve defined in the xy-plane by an equation f(x, y) = 0 and explores the implications of applying a bijection B: P -> P to this curve. Participants are tasked with verifying how the curve transforms under this mapping.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the problem and seeks guidance rather than a complete solution. Some participants suggest creating a specific example to illustrate the mapping process, while others question the notation and definitions involved, particularly regarding inverse mappings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem and the necessary definitions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to understand inverse mappings, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note a lack of prior instruction on the topic and mention that relevant information is not covered in their textbooks, raising concerns about the assignment's appropriateness.

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Homework Statement



Denote the xy plane by P. Let C be some general curve in P defined by the equation f ( x , y ) = 0
where f ( x , y ) is some algebraic expression involving x and y.

Verify carefully that if B : P -> P is any bijection then B( C ) is defined by the equation

f ( B^-1 (x , y)) = 0

I have no idea where to even start. Like, I really don't want an answer to it, I'd much rather be given a nudge in the right direction as none of my textbooks mention any explanation as to how these problems could/would be proven.

Thanks!
 
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alex_vs_gmail said:
I have no idea where to even start.

Start by making yourself an example.
Let [itex]C[/itex] be the curve defined by [itex]F(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 - 1 = 0[/itex]
Let [itex]B(x,y) = (x+3.y+3)[/itex]
[itex]B[/itex] maps the curve [itex]C[/itex] to another curve. What is the equation for the other curve?
 
LOL I'm not even sure how to do that. Ill give it a shot, in F do I swap the function around so I have an expression for x and y, then substitute in the value for x and the value for y into B... if so would it look something like this...

B(F(x,y))= sqrt(1-y^2) +3*sqrt(1-x^2) +3=0 ?
 
alex_vs_gmail said:
would it look something like this...

B(F(x,y))= sqrt(1-y^2) +3*sqrt(1-x^2) +3=0 ?

No, "it" wouldn't look like that, no matter which "it" in the problem we are talking about. You'll have to learn the definition of an inverse mapping and the notation for it. Figure out what [itex]B^-1(x,y)[/itex] is.

(There is no [itex]B(F(x,y))[/itex] mentioned in the problem, so I don't know why you attempted to compute that. Furthermore the notation [itex]B(F(x,y))[/itex] doesn't make sense because [itex]B[/itex] is a mapping from a 2D point to another 2D point, so [itex]B[/itex] needs two numbers for its argument. [itex]F(x,y)[/itex] is a single number.)
 
ohhhhhhh. wtf. i don't get why they have put this in an assignment if they haven't even taught us it and it isn't in the textbook.
 
Hey I am having trouble with this question as well... can you be a bit more obvious with providing the answer please? :) Stephen Tashi
 

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