Marginal evidence for cosmic acceleration

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The discussion centers on the evidence for cosmic acceleration in the context of the standard model of cosmology, particularly examining recent statistical analyses of Type Ia supernova data. Participants explore the implications of these findings and the reliability of various cosmological models, including the role of baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO) and other data types in understanding dark energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that recent analyses of supernova data suggest consistency with a constant rate of expansion, challenging the notion of cosmic acceleration.
  • Others express concern that if the findings are correct, it would significantly impact current cosmological models.
  • A participant references baryon acoustic oscillations as a potential standard ruler for measuring cosmological parameters, indicating their relevance in understanding dark energy.
  • One participant highlights that the standard model's expansion curve is nearly linear over a significant period, questioning which physical theories could predict such behavior.
  • There are mentions of previous discussions on the paper, with some participants recalling critical viewpoints on the methods and conclusions drawn in earlier analyses.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using multiple data types (CMB, BAO, supernovae) to constrain dark energy, arguing that the convergence of these datasets supports the existence of dark energy despite the new findings.
  • Some propose that the apparent acceleration could be due to unaccounted systematic errors or alternative models of gravity, although no coherent alternatives to General Relativity have been established.
  • A participant introduces a Milne model with baryons, suggesting it supports criticisms of the current understanding of cosmic expansion at early times.
  • Another paper is mentioned that counters the skepticism regarding dark energy, suggesting that the evidence still points towards an accelerating universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea of cosmic acceleration and others questioning its validity based on recent data. There is no consensus on the implications of the findings or the reliability of the models discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions made in the analyses, particularly concerning the homogeneity and isotropy of the universe, which may affect the interpretation of the data.

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The ‘standard’ model of cosmology is founded on the basis that the expansion rate of the universe is accelerating at present — as was inferred originally from the Hubble diagram of Type Ia supernovae. There exists now a much bigger database of supernovae so we can perform rigorous statistical tests to check whether these ‘standardisable candles’ indeed indicate cosmic acceleration. Taking account of the empirical procedure by which corrections are made to their absolute magnitudes to allow for the varying shape of the light curve and extinction by dust, we find, rather surprisingly, that the data are still quite consistent with a constant rate of expansion.

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep35596
 
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It will be a blow if this is correct.
 
I do not know if this refutes, the paper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_acoustic_oscillations

In cosmology, baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO) are regular, periodic fluctuations in the density of the visible baryonicmatter (normal matter) of the universe. In the same way that supernova provide a "standard candle" for astronomical observations,[1] BAO matter clustering provides a "standard ruler" for length scale in cosmology.[2] The length of this standard ruler (~490 million light years in today's universe[3]) can be measured by looking at the large scale structure of matter usingastronomical surveys.[3] BAO measurements help cosmologists understand more about the nature of dark energy (which causes the apparent slight acceleration of the expansion of the universe) by constraining cosmological parameters.[2].
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
For a large part of cosmic history, the a(t) curve of the standard model is very near to linear, so it is not too surprising that a large part of the data fits a linear expansion curve fairly closely. The problem is: which other physical theory predicts that?
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Bandersnatch said:
There was a good discussion of the paper on PF last year, when it was still in preprint on ArXiV:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-cosmic-acceleration-from-type-ia-sne.817386/
See especially @Chalnoth 's posts - he was very critical of the methods and conclusions presented in the article.

I don't know how much it's been improved in subsequent revisions.
Seems to me that my criticisms from that thread stand.

The thing is, professional cosmologists generally don't use a single type of data when determining which model better fits the data. Pretty much every talk that I've ever gone to that describes the evidence for dark energy makes use of a plot similar to this one:
http://supernova.lbl.gov/union/figures/Union2.1_Om-Ol_slide.pdf

(from here)

This plot is a bit of an old one, and there is even more data available now. What this is showing are the error contours from three different types of data, with the matter density fraction on the horizontal axis and the cosmological constant density fraction on the vertical axis. Note that each individual piece of data doesn't actually constrain dark energy all that well: the tight constraints come from combining them all together. The three data types are the CMB, BAO, and supernovae. The CMB's primary constraint relevant to this particular plot is on the spatial geometry: it says that the universe is very nearly flat. The Baryon Acoustic Oscillation (BAO) data, by contrast, mostly just constrains the matter density fraction. The supernova data constrain the ratio of matter density to dark energy density, but provides almost zero constraint on the curvature.

Taken together, these three data sets converge on the same location in the plot. That's the key point, and is why we can be pretty sure that dark energy actually exists. There are potentially two ways out of this at the current time:
1. There's a large, unaccounted-for systematic error that makes it so that these different data sets all converge tightly to the same location in parameter space, but converge to the wrong location. Some have suggested that the fact that most of these calculations usually assume the universe is homogeneous and isotropic, when it definitely is neither, might have something to do with this. But these alternative explanations have so far all failed in the face of more data.
2. There's some other model of gravity that explains why it looks like there's a cosmological constant when there actually isn't one. I don't think there's any coherent alternative to General Relativity that has been proposed that actually works here.

These two options only really still exist because there remains the possibility that there's something we haven't thought of.

This paper, by contrast, just says that, "Hey, when we throw out most of the data, the case for an accelerated expansion becomes rather weak!" Well, of course it does.
 
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If I take a Milne model and add baryons at 3% of critical density (\Omega_b=0.03, no dark matter and no \Lambda), Friedmann's equation gives the following "Distance-redshift" curve for comparison with the standard (LCDM) parameters. Incidentally, it gives a Standard age of ~13.7 Gyr.

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One can see that this supports Chalnoth's comments of gross deviations at very early times.
 
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