Mass and momentum problem in Sp.Relativity

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The discussion revolves around a problem in special relativity involving a particle with rest mass m0 and kinetic energy 3(m0)c^2 colliding inelastically with a stationary particle of rest mass 2m0. Participants are exploring the implications of mass-energy equivalence and conservation laws in relativistic collisions.

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  • Participants discuss the initial approach of calculating the velocity of the first particle before the collision and express confusion regarding the rest mass of the composite particle not being simply the sum of the rest masses. Questions arise about the conservation of mass and energy in the context of relativistic collisions.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the conservation of momentum and total energy, clarifying that while momentum is conserved, mass is not necessarily conserved in relativistic contexts. There is an ongoing exploration of how these principles apply to the problem at hand.

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Participants note that inelastic collisions do not conserve kinetic energy, which adds complexity to the problem. The discussion highlights the need to consider total energy conservation alongside momentum conservation.

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Problem:
A particle with rest mass m0 and kinetic energy 3(m0)c^2 makes a complete inelastic collision with a stationary particle of rest mass 2m0. what are the velocity and rest mass of the composite particle?

I tried to approach the problem first by identifying the velocity of the first particle before collision and got v=0.968c.
Then i can't figure out why the rest mass of the composite particles is not simply 3m0, but this question is accompanied by a final answer, and it is not 3m0 for their composite rest mass.

*BTW - after that I think that momentum conservation I will have no problem to find the new velocity...

What am I missing?
 
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zimo said:
Problem:
A particle with rest mass m0 and kinetic energy 3(m0)c^2 makes a complete inelastic collision with a stationary particle of rest mass 2m0. what are the velocity and rest mass of the composite particle?

I tried to approach the problem first by identifying the velocity of the first particle before collision and got v=0.968c.
Then i can't figure out why the rest mass of the composite particles is not simply 3m0, but this question is accompanied by a final answer, and it is not 3m0 for their composite rest mass.

*BTW - after that I think that momentum conservation I will have no problem to find the new velocity...

What am I missing?
Remember that in relativity, mass is not a conserved quantity and in inelastic collisions kinetic energy is not conserved either. This is why the rest mass of the composite particle isn't simply the sum of the rest masses of the two constituent particles.

As you correctly say momentum is conserved in this case. However, even though kinetic energy isn't conserved in the collision, the total energy must be conserved. Using these two constraints (momentum and total energy conservation) you should be able to determine both the rest mass and velocity of the composite particle.
 
Because of mass-energy equivalence both (mass and energy) should be conserved.
 
Thanks, now I got it right, thanks to you!
 
cryptic said:
Because of mass-energy equivalence both (mass and energy) should be conserved.
This is not true, in general mass itself is not a conserved quantity in relativistic collisions, as illustrated by this question. As a said previously, the total energy of the system as well as the total momentum of the system must remain constant, the masses however will vary.
 

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