Special relativity - Maximum mass

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum mass \( M_x \) that can be produced from the collision of identical particles with mass \( m \) in a laboratory frame, where one particle is at rest and the other has energy \( E \). The reaction considered is \( a+b \rightarrow a+b+x \). Participants are exploring the implications of energy and momentum conservation in relativistic collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of invariant mass and momentum conservation to derive a second-order equation for \( M_x \). There are questions about the conditions under which the solutions for \( M_x \) become negative, particularly in relation to the energy \( E \) of the incoming particle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential issues with negative solutions for \( M_x \) and are questioning the physical implications of these results. There is an acknowledgment that negative mass is not physically meaningful, leading to further exploration of the threshold energy required for the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that \( E \) must be greater than or equal to \( m \) for the scenario to be physically valid, as negative values for \( M_x \) arise when \( E < m \), which is deemed impossible in this context.

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Homework Statement


Finding the maximum mass ##M_x## which can be made from a collision of identical particles with mass ##m##, in the laboratory frame, in which one particle is at rest and the other one has energy ##E##. The reaction is the following: ##a+b \rightarrow a+b+x##.

The Attempt at a Solution


I assume that the maximum mass is produced when the three resultant particles are at rest in the CM frame. So I use the invariant of the total momentum squared from the lab frame before the collision (##p##) and the CM frame after the collision (##k##):
$$p_1=(E,0,0,\sqrt{E^2-m^2}) \hspace{1cm} p_2=(m,0,0,0)$$
$$(p_1+p_2)^2 = 2m(E+m)$$
$$k_1=k_2=(m,0,0,0) \hspace{1cm} k_x=(M_x,0,0,0)$$
$$(k_1+k_2+k_x)^2=4m^2+4mM_x+m^2_x$$
I equal the invariants:
$$2m(E+m)=4m^2+4mM_x+M^2_x$$
After calculation I find a second order equation in ##M_x## whose solutions are:
$$-2m\pm\sqrt{2m^2+2mE}$$
I reject the solution with - because it is completely negative but also the solution with + is negative under a certain value of E. I do not know if this is because a mistake or it is the threshold energy of the reaction.
 
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Aleolomorfo said:

Homework Statement


Finding the maximum mass ##M_x## which can be made from a collision of identical particles with mass ##m##, in the laboratory frame, in which one particle is at rest and the other one has energy ##E##. The reaction is the following: ##a+b \rightarrow a+b+x##.

The Attempt at a Solution


I assume that the maximum mass is produced when the three resultant particles are at rest in the CM frame. So I use the invariant of the total momentum squared from the lab frame before the collision (##p##) and the CM frame after the collision (##k##):
$$p_1=(E,0,0,\sqrt{E^2-m^2}) \hspace{1cm} p_2=(m,0,0,0)$$
$$(p_1+p_2)^2 = 2m(E+m)$$
$$k_1=k_2=(m,0,0,0) \hspace{1cm} k_x=(M_x,0,0,0)$$
$$(k_1+k_2+k_x)^2=4m^2+4mM_x+m^2_x$$
I equal the invariants:
$$2m(E+m)=4m^2+4mM_x+M^2_x$$
After calculation I find a second order equation in ##M_x## whose solutions are:
$$-2m\pm\sqrt{2m^2+2mE}$$
I reject the solution with - because it is completely negative but also the solution with + is negative under a certain value of E. I do not know if this is because a mistake or it is the threshold energy of the reaction.
What values of ##E## are you worried about?
 
Aleolomorfo said:
After calculation I find a second order equation in ##M_x## whose solutions are:
$$-2m\pm\sqrt{2m^2+2mE}$$
I reject the solution with - because it is completely negative but also the solution with + is negative under a certain value of E. I do not know if this is because a mistake or it is the threshold energy of the reaction.
Remember ##E## is the energy of a particle of mass ##m##.
 
Yes, I get it. I've realized the stupidity of my question. ##M_x## is negative if ##E < m##, but this is impossible. Thank you.
 
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