Mass distribution and gravitational field

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational field generated by non-spherical mass distributions, particularly in the context of celestial bodies like Earth and the Moon. Participants explore various theoretical approaches and mathematical frameworks to understand the implications of non-spherical symmetry on gravitational interactions and motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the approach to gravitational fields for non-spherical bodies and seeks references.
  • Another suggests applying Gauss's law by drawing a spherical surface centered on the center of mass, arguing that it simplifies the analysis for sufficiently distant points.
  • A different viewpoint presents Newton's law of gravity as applicable to non-spherical masses by treating them as collections of point masses and integrating over their volume.
  • Some participants mention using Poisson's equation to describe the gravitational potential for non-spherical distributions.
  • Questions arise regarding the effects of Earth's non-spherical symmetry on its general motion and the implications for artificial satellites, which are also not spherically symmetric.
  • A participant brings up the Moon as an example of a non-spherical celestial body and inquires about its impact on its motion around Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on how to approach the gravitational fields of non-spherical bodies, with no consensus reached on a single method or framework. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of non-spherical symmetry on motion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific assumptions about mass distribution and distance from the center of mass, which are not fully articulated. The discussion also highlights the complexity of integrating gravitational effects for non-spherical bodies.

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The field outside a body with spherical mass distribution is well known but for a non simmetrical body (or a almost simmetrical body like the earth) which is the approach?. Do you know any reference?
thank you
 
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I think you can apply Gauss law. You can draw a spherical surface with center of center of mass of the object. When the sphere includes all the masses, according to gauss law, it is the same. Since Gauss theorem ▽·g=4πGρ, and apply the law ∫▽·g dV=∫g·dσ=4πM, where M is the mass inside the sphere. Therefore on this occasion where it is sufficiently far from the center of the object, you can use Newton.
 
Newton's law of gravity in its familiar form gives the gravitational force between two point mass objects (or two uniform spheres which act as point objects). However, it can be cast in a form that handles non-spherical masses. Just treat a non-spherical mass as a collection of integration volumes, each behaving as a point mass, and integrate over the volume.

Newton's Law in full fixed-coordinate vector form:

F= - G m m' (x - x')/|x - x'|3

where F is the gravitational force of mass m' on m located at x' and x respectively. If another massive body m'' is introduced, it's force on m is just additive:

F= - G m m' (x - x')/|x - x'|3 - G m m'' (x - x'')/|x - x''|3

If we bring many point masses into the picture, we just add up all the forces:

F= - G m Ʃ mi(x - xi)/|x - xi|3

In the limit that the point masses get so packed together that they can be treated as constituting a spatial continuum of mass, the sum becomes a volume integral:

F= - G m ρ(x')(x - x')/|x - x'|3 d(3) x'

where ρ is the mass density. This is what you would use for extended non-spherical mass objects.
 
You can also use Poisson's equation for the gravitational potential.
 
Thank you,
questions:
what effects on the general motion of the Earth are due to its non-spherical symmetry?
astrophysicists will take account of this...
Even artificial satellites are definitely not spherically symmetric objects (although relatively small): as we can account for this?
 
DrStupid said:
You can also use Poisson's equation for the gravitational potentialhttp://www.flughafenhotel.net/hotel-flughafen-national/hotel-hamburg-flughafen/"

In my mind the easiest way ...
 
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I return to the topic after a long time ...
A tangible example, the moon will not be a celestial body in perfect spherical symmetry. How this affect on its motion around the earth?

thanks
 

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