Mass Flow of Snow while Plowing?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the mass flow of snow into and out of a V-plow while considering the accumulation of snow due to the plow's movement. The mass flow into the plow is calculated to be 330 kg/s, but the mass flow out is uncertain as the snow accumulates before it can exit. It is clarified that the system is not at steady state, as snow builds up in front of the plow, affecting the exit rate. Over time, the exit rate is expected to increase until it matches the intake, although there are limits to how much snow a plow can handle. The conversation emphasizes the design of the plow to prevent it from becoming overwhelmed by accumulated snow.
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Homework Statement


Let's say I am plowing snow in a straight line using a standard V-plow. The angle of the V between both blades is 130 degrees. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the blades and the snow is about .1. The speed of the plow is 5 mph or 2.2 meters per second. The cross-sectional area of the front of the plow is 2 meters wide by .5 meters tall. The plow itself has a cross sectional geometry of a semi circle with a radius of .25 meter.

The density of the snow is 300 kg/m^3. The cross-sectional area of the swath of snow is 2 meters wide by .25 meters tall.

What will be the mass flow of snow both into and out of the plow?

Because the plow is moving at such a slow speed. Assume that the snow accumulates to fill the snow plow before any snow leaves the plow.

Homework Equations


mass flow = density x velocity x cross-sectional area
All other physics equations for kinematics

The Attempt at a Solution


The mass flow into the plow = (300 kg/m^3) x (2.2 m/s) x (2m x .25m) = 330 kg/s

The mass flow out of the plow = ? I don't know how to find it
 
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Once the snow fills the plow and starts to leave, where does any new snow picked up by the plow go?
 
SteamKing said:
Once the snow fills the plow and starts to leave, where does any new snow picked up by the plow go?

So the snow is just being pushed off to the side and onto the freshly fallen snow that isn't being plowed. There is a wall of snow next to plow which is why the snow accumulates inside the plow before leaving.
 
BabyHuey06 said:
So the snow is just being pushed off to the side and onto the freshly fallen snow that isn't being plowed. There is a wall of snow next to plow which is why the snow accumulates inside the plow before leaving.
It's not clear to me whether you have understood and accepted SteamKing's point. In steady state, mass rate in = mass rate out.
 
haruspex said:
It's not clear to me whether you have understood and accepted SteamKing's point. In steady state, mass rate in = mass rate out.

Oh haha that's what he was trying to say. Whoops, sorry about that. So it is not at steady state. Snow accumulates in front of the plow and does not go anywhere. What I think I need to do is figure out where the snow would most logically and theoretically leave the plow. That would give me the cross sectional area. Then knowing how fast the plow is moving and the geometry of the plow I should be able to somehow figure out how fast the snow is exiting the plow?
 
BabyHuey06 said:

Homework Statement


Lets say I am plowing snow in a straight line using a standard V-plow. The angle of the V between both blades is 130 degrees. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the blades and the snow is about .1. The speed of the plow is 5 mph or 2.2 meters per second. The cross-sectional area of the front of the plow is 2 meters wide by .5 meters tall. The plow itself has a cross sectional geometry of a semi circle with a radius of .25 meter.
The density of the snow is 300 kg/m^3. The cross-sectional area of the swath of snow is 2 meters wide by .25 meters tall.
What will be the mass flow of snow both into and out of the plow?
Because the plow is moving at such a slow speed. Assume that the snow accumulates to fill the snow plow before any snow leaves the plow.

Homework Equations


mass flow = density x velocity x cross-sectional area
All other physics equations for kinematics

The Attempt at a Solution


The mass flow into the plow = (300 kg/m^3) x (2.2 m/s) x (2m x .25m) = 330 kg/s
The mass flow out of the plow = ? I don't know how to find it

Update 1:
The moving snow is not at a steady state in terms of mass flow. Snow gradually builds up in front of the plow, accumulating mass.
 
BabyHuey06 said:
Update 1:
The moving snow is not at a steady state in terms of mass flow. Snow gradually builds up in front of the plow, accumulating mass.
But that will vary over time. The exit rate will gradually increase until it matches flow in.
 
haruspex said:
But that will vary over time. The exit rate will gradually increase until it matches flow in.

How so? Wouldn't the snow eventually accumulate to the point where it can no longer be pushed, if there was a max amount of power that can go into it.

How do you know that the exit rate will eventually match the intake?
 
BabyHuey06 said:
How so? Wouldn't the snow eventually accumulate to the point where it can no longer be pushed, if there was a max amount of power that can go into it.

How do you know that the exit rate will eventually match the intake?
If it is going to build up to the point where the snow plow comes to a halt then it's not much of a snow plow. The whole point of the plow design is to prevent that (though I suppose there is a limit to the depth of snow a given plow can cope with).
Besides, merely having accumulated a pile of snow of mass m does not give you a basis for saying the plow has to work any harder. That pile is moving at the same speed as the plow.
 
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