Mass moving back and forth at the bottom of a circle (Polar)

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The problem involves a mass moving back and forth at the bottom of a circle of radius R, described using polar coordinates. The motion is governed by the equation for the angle θ(t) in relation to a small angle α(t). The task is to derive a linear differential equation for α(t).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the radial and tangential accelerations, noting that the radius is constant and exploring how this affects the equations of motion. There are attempts to express tangential acceleration in terms of α and to relate it to gravitational forces. Some participants question the implications of the radial acceleration being zero and its relevance to the problem.

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Some participants have made progress in deriving the differential equation, with one suggesting that the radial acceleration is not relevant to the integration process. The discussion includes various interpretations of the forces acting on the mass and how they relate to the motion described by α(t). There is acknowledgment of the small angle approximation leading to a specific form of the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the assumption of no friction and the constant radius of the circular path. The discussion also reflects on the implications of using small angle approximations in the context of the derived equations.

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Homework Statement


A mass ##m## at the bottom of a circle of radius R moves back and forth with no friction and the follows the equation (where ##\alpha(t)## is small) ##\theta(t)=\frac{3\pi}{2}+\alpha(t)##. Find a differential equation using polar coordinates for ##\alpha(t)## which is linear.

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Homework Equations


##r=r\hat{r}##
##v=\dot{r}\hat{r}+r\dot{\theta}\hat{\theta}##
##a=(\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)\hat{r}+(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})\hat{\theta}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Since ##r## is the constant ##R## we have ##r=R\hat{r}##, we also know that the tangential acceleration ##a_{\theta}=(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})## which from the diagram we can also see that ##a_{\theta}=mg\sin\alpha(t)##, the radial acceleration is given by ##a_{r}=(\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)## which I believe is equal to (where ##N## is the normal force) ##a_{r}=N-mg\cos\alpha(t)##. I can't quite see where to go from here.
 
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Potatochip911 said:

Homework Statement


A mass ##m## at the bottom of a circle of radius R moves back and forth with no friction and the follows the equation (where ##\alpha(t)## is small) ##\theta(t)=\frac{3\pi}{2}+\alpha(t)##. Find a differential equation using polar coordinates for ##\alpha(t)## which is linear.

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Homework Equations


##r=r\hat{r}##
##v=\dot{r}\hat{r}+r\dot{\theta}\hat{\theta}##
##a=(\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)\hat{r}+(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})\hat{\theta}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Since ##r## is the constant ##R## we have ##r=R\hat{r}##, we also know that the tangential acceleration ##a_{\theta}=(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})## which from the diagram we can also see that ##a_{\theta}=mg\sin\alpha(t)##, the radial acceleration is given by ##a_{r}=(\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)## which I believe is equal to (where ##N## is the normal force) ##a_{r}=N-mg\cos\alpha(t)##. I can't quite see where to go from here.
You know that θ = 3π/2+ α, so the derivatives of θ are the same as those of α. What is the tangential acceleration in terms of α, taking into account that r=R = constant?
We measure the angles anti-clockwise. The tangential acceleration is of opposite direction as mgsinα.
 
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You know that θ = 3π/2+ α, so the derivatives of θ are the same as those of α. What is the tangential acceleration in terms of α, taking into account that r=R = constant?
We measure the angles anti-clockwise. The tangential acceleration is of opposite direction as mgsinα.
I managed to get to the solution. Since the radial acceleration in this case will always be equal to zero there is no point in integrating it. The angle ##\alpha## will be determined by ##a_{\phi}## which is given by ##a_{\phi}=-g\sin\alpha## and from our relationships we have ##R\ddot{\alpha}=-g\sin\alpha\iff\ddot{\alpha}=-\frac{g}{R}\sin\alpha##, now the small angle approximation can be made and we obtain ##\ddot{\alpha}=-\frac{g}{R}\alpha##
 
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I managed to get to the solution. Since the radial acceleration in this case will always be equal to zero there is no point in integrating it.
The radius is constant, so its derivatives are zero. The radial acceleration is not, it is ##a_r = -r \dot \theta^2 ##, the centripetal acceleration.
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The angle ##\alpha## will be determined by ##a_{\phi}## which is given by ##a_{\phi}=-g\sin\alpha## and from our relationships we have ##R\ddot{\alpha}=-g\sin\alpha\iff\ddot{\alpha}=-\frac{g}{R}\sin\alpha##, now the small angle approximation can be made and we obtain ##\ddot{\alpha}=-\frac{g}{R}\alpha##
This is correct.
 
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