Mass of a sphere where density varies

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of a sphere with a varying density function, expressed in terms of integrals. Participants explore different mathematical formulations and proofs related to this concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for the mass of the sphere as 4π∫f(r)r²dr, suggesting the proof is straightforward.
  • Another participant describes a method of considering the sphere as composed of infinitesimally thin spherical shells, leading to the mass of the sphere being expressed as an integral from r to 0 of 4π(x²)f(x)dx.
  • A later reply references a claim from a book by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw regarding the mass fraction of a star within a sphere of radius a, suggesting an alternative formulation involving average density and integrals.
  • The same participant questions the validity of their own proof and expresses uncertainty about the notation used in their mathematical expressions.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the formulation of the mass of the sphere, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proofs or the correct expressions.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the density function f(d) and its integrability, as well as the implications of the different formulations presented by participants.

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Consider a sphere of radius r where its density at any point is f(d) with d being the distance of the point from the origin and f(d) being an algebraic function and thus integrable. What is the function (ideally expressed as one integral & using constants such as Pi) for the mass of the sphere? PS please also supply the proof.
 
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4π∫f(r)r2dr

Proof is obvious. I'll leave it to you.
 
Is below valid proof?
Consider sphere made up of infinite number of spherical shells. Assume that a spherical shell is at distance x from centre with infinitesimal thickness dx..
Volume of spherical shell = Its surface area * thickness = 4Pi(x^2)dx
Mass of spherical shell = mass of spherical shell * density of spherical shell
= 4Pi(x^2)dx * f(x) = 4Pi(x^2)f(x)dx
Mass of sphere = Integral from r to 0 of 4Pi(x^2)f(x)dx
 
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My answer IMO is the same as yours, mathman.
Reason I asked this is that Brian Cox & Jeff Forshaw's book titled 'The quantum universe: everything that can happen does happen, they state (on page 235) that where g(a) represents the fraction of a star's mass lying in a sphere of radius a is:
4Pi(R^3)p * Integral from a to 0 of (x^2)f(x)dx
where R is the radius of the star & p is the average density of the star.
I think it should be:
Integral from a to 0 of 4Pi(x^2)f(x)dx / (4Pi(R^3)/3)p)
= Integral from a to 0 of (x^2)f(x)dx / ((R^3)/3)p)

PS apologies for the use of Pi, ^, brackets & the Integral ( as I don't know how to create the appropriate symbols).
 

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