Massive three particle phase space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the production of three massive particles near threshold energy, specifically examining the suppression of the cross section by a factor of beta^4. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and phase space integrals involved in this scenario.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the cross section for producing three massive particles is suppressed by a factor beta^4, where beta is defined in terms of the total mass and center of mass energy.
  • Another participant suggests setting up integrals for the phase space factor and approximating the total mass to explore the relationship between beta and epsilon.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in reducing an integral over a polynomial of degree 3 to the form of beta^4.
  • One participant requests the integral expression to better understand the problem.
  • A participant provides the integral involving the square root of a polynomial and specifies the limits of integration based on the rest condition of the combined state.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that if the combined state is at rest, then the third particle would also be at rest, suggesting that there would be no variable to integrate over.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the setup of the integrals and the implications of the rest condition of the particles. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the integral or the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions regarding the rest state of the combined particle system and the complexity of the integral involved. The relationship between beta and the integral remains unresolved.

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If you produce three massive particles with m1=/=m2=/=m3 near threshold (beta -> 0), the cross section of the production is supressed by a factor beta^4, where beta = sqrt(1-(M_tot)^2/s) and s is COM energy. I have been trying to prove this statement, but I can't seem to manage. Could anybody help me?
 
Did you set up the integrals for the phase space factor and then see where an approximation ##M = s(1-\epsilon)## leads? ##\beta^4 = \epsilon^2## here.
 
mfb said:
Did you set up the integrals for the phase space factor and then see where an approximation ##M = s(1-\epsilon)## leads? ##\beta^4 = \epsilon^2## here.
Yes I have, but my problem is that I have an integral over the square root of a polynomial of degree 3. I don't see it reducing to beta^4 that easily...
 
Can you post the integral you get?
 
Yes:
$$\int {\rm d}s_{23} \sqrt{(s^2 + m_1^4+s_{23}^2-2ss_{23}-2m_1^2s_{23}-2sm_1^2)(s_{23}-m_2^2)}$$
We have ##(m_2+m_3)^2 \leq s_{23} \leq s-m_1^2##, ##s=(p_1+p_2+p_3)^2## and ##s_{23} = (p_2 + p_3)^2##. To get to this form, we have assumed that the combined state ##p_{23}## is at rest.
 
If p23 is at rest, then particle 3 is also at rest and s23 is fixed, there would be nothing to integrate over.
 

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