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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the complex function f(x)=${\left(-2{x}^{2}+3\right)}^{4}$${\left(9{x}^{2}+7\right)}^{12}$. Participants share their approaches to solving the derivative, express confusion over simplifications, and address issues with an online homework tool that evaluates their answers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their derivative calculation but suspects a mistake in simplification.
  • Another participant provides a different derivative expression, including a detailed breakdown of their steps.
  • A later reply expresses confusion about the simplification process and questions the origin of certain coefficients in the derivative.
  • One participant comments on the limitations of online homework systems that may not accept multiple valid forms of an answer.
  • Another participant suggests a specific form of the derivative that may be expected by the online tool.
  • One participant confirms that the suggested form aligns with their expectations and thanks the contributor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct form of the derivative, as there are multiple proposed expressions and ongoing confusion regarding simplifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact answer accepted by the online tool.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the simplification steps and the specific format required by the online homework system, which may affect the acceptance of their answers.

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Hello,
I solved this exercise, but I probably did mistake in simplification...
f(x)=${\left(-2{x}^{2}+3\right)}^{4}$${\left(9{x}^{2}+7\right)}^{12}$
They asked to find derivative, so here is what I did
f$^{\prime}$=4${\left(-2{x}^{2}+3\right)}^{3}$(-4x)${\left(9{x}^{2}+7\right)}^{12}$+${\left(-2{x}^{2}+3\right)}^{4}$(12)${\left(9{x}^{2}+7\right)}^{11}$(18x)=
${\left(-2{x}^{2}+3\right)}^{3}$${\left(9{x}^{2}+7\right)}^{11}$(-504${x}^{3}$+592x)
There is a mistake and I can't find it. I did this exercise twice with the same result. I will appreciate your help, thanks!
 
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Here is what I get:

$$f(x)=\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{4}\left(9x^2+7\right)^{12}$$

$$f'(x)=4\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{3}(-4x)\left(9x^2+7\right)^{12}+\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{4}\left(12\left(9x^2+7\right)^{11}(18x)\right)$$

$$f'(x)=8x\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{3}\left(9x^2+7\right)^{11}\left(-2\left(9x^2+7\right)+\left(-2x^2+3\right)\left(27\right)\right)$$

$$f'(x)=8x\left(2x^2-3\right)^{3}\left(9x^2+7\right)^{11}\left(72x^2-67\right)$$
 
Thank you! I tried your answer, but it is still wrong according to my school exercise system (we have online tool for practice questions), may be it is just a format it doesn't accept...
By the way, I am so bad at algebra, I am still confused about your simplification... where -2 and 27 came from? Sorry, I am so bad at this...
 
lastochka said:
Thank you! I tried your answer, but it is still wrong according to my school exercise system (we have online tool for practice questions), may be it is just a format it doesn't accept...
By the way, I am so bad at algebra, I am still confused about your simplification... where -2 and 27 came from? Sorry, I am so bad at this...

I really loathe those rigid online homework apps that will accept only 1 defined answer, when there are so many ways to write a result in many cases.

When I factored out the $8x$, then $-16x$ became $-2$ and $216x$ became $27$.

Also I factored out some negatives so that no factor would have a leading negative.
 
Thank you!
 
Perhaps the app is expecting:

$$f'(x)=8x\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{3}\left(9x^2+7\right)^{11}\left(-72x^2+67\right)$$
 
MarkFL said:
Perhaps the app is expecting:

$$f'(x)=8x\left(-2x^2+3\right)^{3}\left(9x^2+7\right)^{11}\left(-72x^2+67\right)$$

Yes, this is it! Thank you so much!
 

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