Math History: It is widely acknowledged

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The discussion revolves around the concept of mathematical beauty and the historical context of certain mathematical statements attributed to notable figures like Gauss and Euclid. Participants explore the subjective nature of beauty in mathematics, referencing historical texts and personal experiences with mathematical proofs.

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  • Some participants note that statements about Gauss and Euclid's proofs are often repeated and may shape current mathematical culture, questioning the origins of these claims.
  • One participant expresses disagreement with the notion that certain proofs are universally beautiful, suggesting that beauty in mathematics is subjective and varies by individual perspective.
  • Another participant argues that the perception of mathematical beauty is influenced by one's philosophical stance towards mathematics, such as formalism versus constructionism.
  • Some participants appreciate proofs by contradiction for their conciseness and power, while others find them less appealing compared to constructive proofs.
  • There is a suggestion that calling mathematics beautiful or ugly is a subjective judgment, akin to discussing the differentiability of irony.
  • One participant defends Hardy's views on pure mathematics, stating that while it may be less applicable in industry, it has its own merits and should not be disparaged.
  • Another participant reflects on the emotional engagement of students with certain proofs, indicating that the teaching context can influence perceptions of beauty.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of mathematical beauty, with no clear consensus on whether certain proofs or mathematicians should be regarded as beautiful or not. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the subjectivity of beauty in mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that their views on mathematical beauty are influenced by personal experiences, philosophical beliefs, and the context in which mathematics is taught, leading to a variety of interpretations and no definitive conclusions.

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Mathematicians and the mathematically erudite alike love unanimity; and for some the quest to have truly resolvable arguments plays a role in their attraction to the subject.

I suspect that is the reason we frequently encounter statements like:

(1) "Gauss is widely recognized as the greatest mathematician of all time."

(2) "Euclid's proofs of the infinitude of primes and of the irrationality of \sqrt(2) are beautiful yet accessible gems of pure mathematics".

But is seems that (1) originated with ET Bell's 1926 Men of Mathematics, and that (2) originated with Hardy's 1940 Mathematician's Apology.

It seems that the opinions expressed in these texts form a disproportionate amount of our current Mathematical culture. To make this topic truly disputable I would need to cite examples of (1) and (2) being parroted, but have encountered so many that I rely on the readers to relate to a common experience.

As a point of discussion, I disagree that the proofs in (2) are characteristic of mathematical beauty in general, as is often claim "if you don't find these proofs beautiful, consider switching subjects away from pure mathematics".
 
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another jerry springer moment. unfortunately this is likely to generate merely argumentation. how about a more positive approach, such as "what arguments do you think beautiful?"
 
are you calling for historians of mathematics to only utter empirically verifiable statements? :)
 
Perception of mathematical beauty unfortunately depends on the philosophy of the student of mathematics.

As a formalist who hasn't gone outside mathematics described by predicate logic and set theory, I find proofs by contradiction to be quite beautiful because they are usually quite short and IMO powerful (and sometimes quite subtle). (The, "yeah, imagine that it were this way instead. But then you'd have that this would happen... and that's exactly what we said can't happen, so obviously, what we just imagined can't happen at all")

I usually find proof of existence by construction to be ugly, especially when the object being constructed is very complicated, unless it actually matters that you know the form of the object.

A constructionist though would find proof by contradiction to be ugly (if acceptable at all) and proof by construction to be beautiful.

Likewise, if working in a different system of logic (or in want of proofs that are applicable to some other system of logic), a formalist might find proof by contradiction to be ugly or unacceptable.
 
Calling math beautiful (or ugly) makes as much sense as calling irony differentiable.
 
(2) "Euclid's proofs of the infinitude of primes and of the irrationality of are beautiful yet accessible gems of pure mathematics".

Hardy was a good writer and so was Bell, reference (1), As for (2) I don't see any reason to dispute it. What's wrong with saying that?

After all, it's a take it or leave it matter, but in every class I had where the proof of primes or square root of 2 comes up, everyone gets very interested, wondering if they can follow it, and the teacher glows.

As far as Bell, he did write a chapter on Gauss, "The Prince of Mathematicians." I am not aware that he or for that matter anybody else unequivocally ranked Gauss as greater than everybody else.
 
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As far as switching out of pure math, I have read Hardy and understand that he was making an argument on the side of pure rather than applied math. Now, if you want to work in industry or the military, naturally they much prefer applied math. So much for ugly versus beautiful math!

Pure math is mostly restricted to the universities. However, if you want to applaud that side of things, ivory tower existence, so what! What is the point of knocking it? Give Hardy credit, he was a very good, and apparently influential, writer. But it's still a take it or leave it matter.

After all, when you come down to it, there is no Noble prize in Mathematics, you know. Very few have written in favor of pure math, and that may explain why Hardy was so influential.
 
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I appreciate a good contradiction proof; I think they are there to remind us that, however complicated our definitions may be, the basic principles of logic still apply.

On the other hand, my favorite proofs are the ones that manage to be both concise and constructive. Existence proofs can sometimes leave me feeling empty, knowing that something is true, but not knowing, in some sense, "why" it is true.

Granted, there are few proofs which are both concise and constructive...
 
Dragonfall said:
Calling math beautiful (or ugly) makes as much sense as calling irony differentiable.

It makes plenty of sense to call irony differentiable. It's just false, as irony tends to appear in sudden sharp spikes, which are not generally smooth.

You should hang around my University's math club. I still remember the conversation about how people are Lie Groups, because they clearly are embedded manifolds, and they also obviously act on other embedded manifolds (usually smoothly).
 

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