Math Modelling: Calculating Equilibrium Position X0

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The discussion revolves around calculating the equilibrium position \(X_0\) of a particle moving along the positive x-axis, given a specific potential energy function. Participants explore the relationship between potential energy, force, and equilibrium, while addressing a homework problem related to this topic.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the equilibrium position occurs at \(x=0\) but expresses confusion about the role of the constant \(C\) in the potential energy function.
  • Another participant questions how potential energy relates to force and equilibrium, suggesting that the force can be derived from the rate of change of potential energy.
  • A participant attempts to differentiate the potential energy function and arrives at a force expression, but questions whether setting this equal to zero leads to the correct equilibrium position.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the derivative provided, with a request for clarification on the differentiation process.
  • Dimensional analysis is introduced as a tool to understand the relationship between potential energy and force, emphasizing the importance of units in physics.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to differentiate the potential energy function correctly to find the force, with a request for the participant to show their work for further assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to finding the equilibrium position, with multiple viewpoints and some confusion regarding the differentiation of the potential energy function and its implications for equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the differentiation process and the assumptions made about the relationship between potential energy and force. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings about the terminology used in physics.

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Homework Statement



A particle of mass m moves along the positive x-axis with a potential energy given by

V(x)=C+4/x^2+x^2

where C is a positive constant.

Calulate the equilibrium position X0 of the particle.


Homework Equations



None.

The Attempt at a Solution



I realize that at the equilibruim position x=0. However the C part has thrwon me, am i supposed to integrate or differentiate this? Thanks.
 
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samblue said:

Homework Statement



A particle of mass m moves along the positive x-axis with a potential energy given by

V(x)=C+4/x^2+x^2

where C is a positive constant.

Calulate the equilibrium position X0 of the particle.


Homework Equations



None.
How is potential energy related to force? How is force related to equilibrium position?

[Hint: what is the force in terms of the rate of change of potential energy with respect to distance?]

AM
 
Potential energy is the rate of change of potential energy. Therefore I have to differentiate the potential energy, to my mind this comes to: F=10/4x.
However if I set this equal to 0 (which I though was the condition for equilibrium) x is equal to zero. Is this correct?
 
That's a pretty strange looking derivative. How did you get that??
 
samblue said:
Potential energy is the rate of change of potential energy.
I think you might have typed a bit too fast here. That doesn't make any sense.

Rate of change with respect to what? Usually when physicists say "rate of change" they are talking about differentiating with respect to time. That is not the correct relationship between potential energy and force. A very important tool that physicists use is "dimensional analysis". This can be of some help here.

The kinetic energy of some object is [itex]T=1/2mv^2[/itex]. Velocity has units length/time, so in terms of basic units, kinetic energy has units mass*length2/time2, or [itex]ML^2/T^2[/itex] for short. (We throw away unitless constants like 1/2 when doing dimensional analysis). Potential energy is just another form of energy; it has the same units as kinetic energy: [itex]E \approx ML^2/T^2[/itex]. By Newton's second law, [itex]F=ma[/itex]. In terms of dimensions then, force has units [itex]F \approx ML/T^2[/itex]. The only difference between energy and force in terms of dimensions is that energy has extra factor of length compared to force. This is a time for one of those ah ah! moments: "Ah ah! Now I remember: force is the spatial derivative of potential energy."

Dimensional analysis is an extremely powerful tool. You can use it as a sanity check on your answers (units should match up). If you are very smart, you can use it to estimate the yield of an atomic bomb just from a couple of photos of an A bomb explosion.

Therefore I have to differentiate the potential energy, to my mind this comes to: F=10/4x.
That's just wrong. Please show your work here and we'll help you get to the right answer.
 
samblue said:
Potential energy is the rate of change of potential energy. Therefore I have to differentiate the potential energy, to my mind this comes to: F=10/4x.
However if I set this equal to 0 (which I though was the condition for equilibrium) x is equal to zero. Is this correct?
Is your function:

[tex]V(x) = C + \frac{4}{x^2} + x^2[/tex] ?

If so, this is equivalent to:

[tex]V(x) = C + 4x^{-2} + x^2[/tex]

Differentiate V(x) with respect to x.

AM
 

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