Deriving the Force-Position Relationship for a Spring Powered Model Car

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The discussion revolves around deriving the force-position relationship for a spring-powered model car, focusing on the relationship between the car's speed and its position. The original poster presents a velocity function, v(x) = C|x|, and seeks to derive expressions for the force exerted by the spring and the work done by the spring over a distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the possibility of integrating the velocity function to find the position function and question how to derive acceleration from the given velocity function. There are discussions about whether to use time or position as the variable for differentiation.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the appropriateness of different approaches to derive acceleration from the velocity function. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of derivatives with respect to time versus position, indicating a potential gap in understanding the relationship between these variables in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


In your design of an experimental spring powered model car, you note that the speed of
the car (mass Mc) increases as the car travels further. The exact relationship is that v(x) =
C|x|, where C is a constant and x is the position of the car with respect to the starting
position.

a) Derive an expression for the force provided by the spring as a function of distance.
b) How much work does the spring do as it moves the cart from x0 to xf?

Homework Equations


F=ma
W = Fd cosθ
W spring = ΔKE = 1/2*k*(xf2 - xi2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought of integrating the velocity to get the position function but since the velocity given is the velocity as a function of position, I'm not exactly sure where to go with that. Any advice would be great! Thanks!
 
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How might you figure out the acceleration, given the velocity function?
 
Well acceleration is dv/dt. But since the velocity given is a function of position would it be equivalent? Setup the equation as v(X) = dv/dt?

Giving me v(X)dt = dv, then integrate with tfand t0 as the limits?
 
Or can I take the derivative with respect to position rather than time?

For example:
d/dx [v(X)] = d/dx [C|x|]

I'm just not confident in doing so for some reason. Just because everything is usually taken with respect to time.
 
prodigy803 said:
Well acceleration is dv/dt. But since the velocity given is a function of position would it be equivalent?
You'll take the derivative (d/dt) of the velocity function.

prodigy803 said:
Setup the equation as v(X) = dv/dt?
I think you mean a = dv/dt. Try it!
 

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