Mathematical Definition of a Primitive Cell

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical definition of a primitive cell in crystallography, specifically in the context of lattice structures such as the NaCl lattice. Participants are seeking clarity on the definitions and characteristics of primitive cells versus conventional cells.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions the ambiguity in the Wikipedia definition of a primitive cell, particularly regarding the terms "minimum" and "cell." Other participants express confusion about identifying the primitive cell in the NaCl structure and seek explanations for why certain definitions apply.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun to clarify their understanding of the differences between primitive and conventional cells, noting that the conventional cell for the NaCl structure is not the primitive cell due to the number of lattice points it contains. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic, with some guidance offered on distinguishing between cell types.

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Participants are navigating various definitions and interpretations, with references to external sources for further clarification. The discussion is influenced by the original poster's frustration with the definitions encountered and the complexity of the subject matter.

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[SOLVED] primitive cell

Homework Statement


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_cell
Could someone give me a mathematically rigorous of a primitive cell? I have read like 4 different definitions and none of them seem mathematically rigorous.
I think Wikipedia's definition is particularly ambiguous: "a minimum cell corresponding to a single lattice point" ?
In what sense is minimum being used? In what sense is cell being used?

EDIT: this should probably be in the Advanced Physics section but I cannot delete it or move it

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Someone PLEASE HELP this problem is driving me insane.

In the picture in the Crystal Structure section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaCl, what is the primitive cell AND WHY?
 
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I think I understand now. Go to http://www.neutron.anl.gov/hyper-physics/bravais.html .

The primitive cell of the cubic face-centered structure of the NaCl lattice IS NOT THE CUBE. The cube is the CONVENTIONAL cell for the primitive face-centered cubic structure (e.g. NaCl) but IT CANNOT BE THE PRIMITIVE CELL BECAUSE IT CONTAINS 4 LATTICE POINTS WHICH IS MORE THAN 1.

The primitive cell of the the fcc crystal is actually a rhombohedron.
 
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You got the idea :) Crystal structure is quite hard in the beginning, many new things to learn.
 

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