Mathematical Induction simplification

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical induction problem related to simplifying an expression involving factorials. Participants are attempting to manipulate the equation to reach a specific solution.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the expression (k+1)!-1 + (k+1)(k+1)! and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests rearranging the terms and focusing on the two terms together after moving -1 to the end.
  • A different participant advises writing out the factorial definitions for clarity when in doubt.
  • Another suggestion is to factor out (k + 1)! and use the relationship (n + 1)n! = (n + 1)! to aid in simplification.
  • One participant provides a step-by-step manipulation of the expression, ultimately leading to (k+2)(k+1)!-1, and encourages looking back at earlier suggestions for further guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a collaborative effort to simplify the expression, with no clear consensus on a single approach or solution yet established.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in the simplification, and there are varying suggestions on how to approach the problem.

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Students or individuals interested in mathematical induction and factorial manipulation may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement



I have been workin on a mathematical induction question and have run into trouble with the simplification.



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The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the solution i am trying to reach is (k+2)!-1
but i do not know where to go from the equation:
(k+1)!-1 + (k+1)(k+1)! could someone please help.
 
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Chadlee88 said:
(k+1)!-1 + (k+1)(k+1)! could someone please help.

rearrange - put the -1 at the end and then look closely at the two terms now together.

If you require more help please show what you have tried.
 
if in doubt always write out what the factorial really means
 
Try to factor out (k + 1)!, and see if you can get the answer. Note that:
(n + 1) n! = (n + 1)!
Can you go from here? :)
 
(k+1)!-1 + (k+1)(k+1)!= (k+1)!+(k+1)(k+1)!-1, so here as the
others explained you need to factor out (k+1)!, so you will get
(k+1)!(1+k+1)-1=(k+2)(k+1)!-1, so now look at what vietdao said, and you will come to the right answer.
 

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