[Mathematical physics] - Integral problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating a surface integral involving a vector field on a sphere, specifically the integral of the form \(\int_{S} (\frac{A}{r^2}\hat{r} + B\hat{z}) \cdot d\vec{S}\), where \(S\) is a sphere with radius \(a\). Participants are exploring the mathematical physics concepts related to surface integrals and vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correct expression for the surface element \(d\vec{S}\) and question the original poster's approach to the problem. There are attempts to clarify the role of the unit normal vector and the relevance of integral theorems, such as the divergence theorem. Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the concepts involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and questioning assumptions. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of the surface element and the potential use of integral theorems.

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Participants note that the relevant integral theorem may not have been covered in the original poster's study materials, which could be contributing to their confusion. There is also mention of the need for a clearer understanding of the normal vector and its relation to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the integral

\int_{S} (\frac{A}{r^2}\hat{r} + B\hat{z}) \cdot d\vec{S}

Where S is the sphere with r = a.

2. The attempt at a solution

I have no clue how to solve this problem. I have thought of introducing spherical coordinates and somehow finding a connection but I don't think that works.

I tried breaking out d\vec{S} = \frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial u} \cdot \frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial v } dudv

using the formula above but not sure on how the dot product works. What confuses me with the integrand with the z and r. The answer is 4πA.
 
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Mulz said:
d\vec{S} = \frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial u} \cdot \frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial v } dudv
This is not the correct expression for the surface element. The correct expression is
$$
d\vec S = \frac{\partial \vec r}{\partial u} \times \frac{\partial \vec r}{\partial v} du\, dv.
$$
This is equal to ##\vec n \, dS##, where ##\vec n## is a unit normal and ##dS## the area spanned by the tangent vectors on the sphere. What is the unit normal to the unit sphere?

Also, the second term does not contribute to the integral. Do you know of some integral theorem that you can invoke to come to this conclusion?
 
Ask yourself, what is the vector ## d \vec S ##?
 
Orodruin said:
This is not the correct expression for the surface element. The correct expression is
$$
d\vec S = \frac{\partial \vec r}{\partial u} \times \frac{\partial \vec r}{\partial v} du\, dv.
$$
This is equal to ##\vec n \, dS##, where ##\vec n## is a unit normal and ##dS## the area spanned by the tangent vectors on the sphere. What is the unit normal to the unit sphere?

Also, the second term does not contribute to the integral. Do you know of some integral theorem that you can invoke to come to this conclusion?

I might be completely lost but isn't the normal of a surface given by \nabla = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial}{\partial z}? It should be ⊥ to the tangentvector.

Or maybe the position vector \vec{r} = x\hat{x} + y\hat{y} + z\hat{z}? I think this one simply desribes the coordinates of a sphere as opposed to a normal.

The don't know if the book covered the relevant integral theroem since I read it 4 times.
 
The ##\nabla## operator in itself is a differential operator, not a vector. Acting on a scalar field, it becomes the gradient, which is normal to the level surfaces of the field.

The integral theorem is the divergence theorem. You can do without as well, but it helps.
 
Orodruin said:
The ##\nabla## operator in itself is a differential operator, not a vector. Acting on a scalar field, it becomes the gradient, which is normal to the level surfaces of the field.

The integral theorem is the divergence theorem. You can do without as well, but it helps.
I don't think I'm supposed to use the divergence theorem since it's not discussed in this chapter.
 
As I already said, it helps, but it is not necessary.
 
Orodruin said:
As I already said, it helps, but it is not necessary.
How should I begin to solve it? I'm not sure how to start. Feels like I'm missing a lot of knowledge even when repeaditely reading the chapter.
 

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