Mathematical prerequisites for general relativity

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The discussion focuses on the mathematical prerequisites necessary for studying general relativity (GR). Participants explore various mathematical topics and resources, including differential geometry, linear algebra, and calculus, as well as specific textbooks and lecture materials that may aid in learning these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the mathematical topics needed to start studying general relativity, noting their current knowledge in calculus, linear algebra, and special relativity.
  • Another participant suggests that the inquirer’s current mathematical background is sufficient and recommends starting with introductory GR texts that will cover necessary mathematical concepts.
  • It is proposed that learning to manipulate tensor indices is crucial for understanding GR, with some participants emphasizing the importance of this skill.
  • Some participants mention that multivariable calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations are important, and that introductory books typically include the required mathematics.
  • One participant mentions that for more advanced texts like Wald's, knowledge of Riemannian geometry may be necessary, while others argue that most learners acquire the necessary math through their physics textbooks.
  • Links to resources such as Sean Carroll's book and MIT lecture notes are provided as helpful materials for learning GR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a foundational knowledge of calculus and linear algebra is sufficient to begin studying general relativity, but there are differing opinions on the necessity of differential geometry and the level of mathematical rigor required depending on the chosen textbook.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion may depend on the specific textbook used, as different texts may require varying levels of mathematical understanding. There is also mention of the potential benefits of exploring differential geometry in mathematical methods texts, though this is not universally agreed upon.

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What mathematical topics do I need to know to start studying general relativity?
From which textbooks can I learn them?
I don't currently know anything about differential geometry. I know calculus, linear algebra, mathematical methods of physics (the necessary topics for quantum mechanics) and some special relativity.
 
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Your pre-requisites are fine and intro gr texts will teach you about the mathematical machinery you need. Don't bother learning diff geom from a maths book at this stage (unless you want to, of course). If you can learn to push around tensor indices without thinking, you're halfway there.
 
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accdd said:
What mathematical topics do I need to know to start studying general relativity?
From which textbooks can I learn them?
I don't currently know anything about differential geometry. I know calculus, linear algebra, mathematical methods of physics (the necessary topics for quantum mechanics) and some special relativity.
I agree with @ergospherical, with your maths knowldege you should get started on GR directly. Sean Carroll's book is a good introduction that you should be able to work from. There are also these MIT lectures from a graduate course in GR that are very good. They start with a review of SR from the geometric viewpoint:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-962-g...ction-and-the-geometric-viewpoint-on-physics/
 
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ergospherical said:
If you can learn to push around tensor indices without thinking, you're halfway there.
The other half is learning to swallow vectors as differential operators. :oldgrumpy:
 
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Ibix said:
The other half is learning to swallow vectors as differential operators. :oldgrumpy:
Only the tangent vectors. The cotangent vectors are linear maps from local first order linear differential operators to the real numbers. 😁

Other than that, I can just repeat what has been said: You need multivariable calculus, linear algebra, some differential equation solving skills. Apart from that most introductory books will include what maths you need. Of course, nothing stops you from reading about differential geometry in some well chosen mathematical methods text. It is also quite applicable to other areas in physics.
 
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If you are talking Wald's level (the most hardcore one). You will need Riemannian geometry. People would also read Wald GR together with John M lee's intro smooth manifolds.

I don't think you need to concern too much if you were not using such a hardcore book. People just learn the maths when they read from their physics textbook
 

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