Mathematical prerequisites for General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical prerequisites necessary for studying General Relativity (GR). Participants share their backgrounds and seek advice on the mathematics needed, including topics such as vector calculus, linear algebra, and the relevance of special relativity (SR) concepts. The conversation includes recommendations for resources and books to facilitate learning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a solid grasp of vector calculus is essential, but extensive knowledge of differential geometry may not be necessary.
  • Hartle's "Gravity - An Introduction to GR" is recommended as a suitable resource for those preparing to study GR.
  • There is a discussion about the level of vector calculus knowledge required, with questions about the necessity of Stokes’ theorem and other advanced topics.
  • Participants express the need to thoroughly review special relativity, emphasizing the importance of understanding core concepts such as spacetime and four-vectors before tackling GR.
  • Some suggest that basic concepts of mechanics and trigonometry are sufficient for studying Taylor and Wheeler's work on SR.
  • It is noted that Maxwell’s equations do not feature prominently in Hartle's book, which may alleviate some concerns regarding prerequisites.
  • Familiarity with classical physics concepts, such as Gauss's Law and Newtonian mechanics, is mentioned as beneficial for understanding GR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of reviewing special relativity and the necessity of a solid foundation in vector calculus. However, there are varying opinions on the extent of mathematical knowledge required, particularly regarding differential geometry and specific calculus theorems.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the specific mathematical skills needed for GR, indicating that the discussion is still open to interpretation and personal experience.

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I am a working professional trying to get back to some physics that I used to enjoy a couple of decades ago. I still do remember the basic calculus (integrals, partial derivatives, basic ODE) and am interested in studying General Relativity. I have a decent understanding and memory of Special Relativity but will refresh myself on it.

What is the best method (courses, set of books etc) to learn the prerequisite Mathematics needed? I think I will need a refresher of Linear Algebra and Vector Calculus. I do want to eventually be able to solve problems in GR, but do not want to get bogged down too much by proof-oriented mathematics books. I would also eventually like to plod my way through MTW.

Also, what would be a good GR book for someone of this background?

Thanks in advance!
 
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arunmk said:
I am a working professional trying to get back to some physics that I used to enjoy a couple of decades ago. I still do remember the basic calculus (integrals, partial derivatives, basic ODE) and am interested in studying General Relativity. I have a decent understanding and memory of Special Relativity but will refresh myself on it.

What is the best method (courses, set of books etc) to learn the prerequisite Mathematics needed? I think I will need a refresher of Linear Algebra and Vector Calculus. I do want to eventually be able to solve problems in GR, but do not want to get bogged down too much by proof-oriented mathematics books. I would also eventually like to plod my way through MTW.

Also, what would be a good GR book for someone of this background?

Thanks in advance!

Take a look at Hartle's Gravity - An Introduction to GR.

You'll need a solid grasp of vector calculus but you don't need an extensive course in differential geometry.

Hartle gives a brief review of SR, but I suggest you revise SR thoroughly beforehand.
 
PeroK said:
Take a look at Hartle's Gravity - An Introduction to GR.

You'll need a solid grasp of vector calculus but you don't need an extensive course in differential geometry.

Hartle gives a brief review of SR, but I suggest you revise SR thoroughly beforehand.

Thanks.

For Vector Calculus (which is a gap for me), how much knowledge is enough? I remember the basic operations and get the required skills soon. Do we need Stokes’ theorem etc?

For SR, I plan to go through Taylor and Wheeler. Would that need Maxwell’s equations?

Thanks again!
 
arunmk said:
Thanks.

For Vector Calculus (which is a gap for me), how much knowledge is enough? I remember the basic operations and get the required skills soon. Do we need Stokes’ theorem etc?

For SR, I plan to go through Taylor and Wheeler. Would that need Maxwell’s equations?

Thanks again!

Re calculus generally, if you search for "paul's online notes calculus" you'll find university course notes that are useful for revision and reference.

Even though Hartle goes as easy as possible on the student, you need to be familiar with multivariable calculus. I remember someone a year or two ago came to something early in Hartle that threw him. As far as he was concerned it was complex maths pulled out of thin air, but it was just fairly standard calculus.

Maxwell's equations don't feature in Hartle's book.
 
PeroK said:
Take a look at Hartle's Gravity - An Introduction to GR.

You'll need a solid grasp of vector calculus but you don't need an extensive course in differential geometry.

Hartle gives a brief review of SR, but I suggest you revise SR thoroughly beforehand.

Thanks. Could you tell me what would mean by a thorough review of SR?
PeroK said:
Re calculus generally, if you search for "paul's online notes calculus" you'll find university course notes that are useful for revision and reference.

Even though Hartle goes as easy as possible on the student, you need to be familiar with multivariable calculus. I remember someone a year or two ago came to something early in Hartle that threw him. As far as he was concerned it was complex maths pulled out of thin air, but it was just fairly standard calculus.

Maxwell's equations don't feature in Hartle's book.

Thanks for the clarifications, this is awesome.
 
arunmk said:
Thanks. Could you tell me what would mean by a thorough review of SR?

You need to have the core concepts of SR understood completely. Especially spacetime and four-vectors.

Also, if you haven't studied physics for a while, it may be a useful, even essential, step to relearn SR completely before tackling GR.
 
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PeroK said:
You need to have the core concepts of SR understood completely. Especially spacetime and four-vectors.

Also, if you haven't studied physics for a while, it may be a useful, even essential, step to relearn SR completely before tackling GR.

Thanks a lot. I’ll follow your advise and reread SR before tackling GR.
 
arunmk said:
Thanks.

For Vector Calculus (which is a gap for me), how much knowledge is enough? I remember the basic operations and get the required skills soon. Do we need Stokes’ theorem etc?

For SR, I plan to go through Taylor and Wheeler. Would that need Maxwell’s equations?

Thanks again!

Basic concepts of mechanics (e.g. momentum conservation) and trig should be enough for Taylor & Wheeler.

For GR, I don't think a lot of vector calculus manipulation of the sort used in EM is needed. You should know basics like the gradient, divergence, curl and Laplacian.

You should be familiar with some classical physics concepts for GR: Gauss's Law, Poisson's equation, Newtonian orbits, effective potential, plain waves.

You may want to get a good reference on Newtonian mechanics (e.g. Symon) for background reading.
 
Daverz said:
Basic concepts of mechanics (e.g. momentum conservation) and trig should be enough for Taylor & Wheeler.

For GR, I don't think a lot of vector calculus manipulation of the sort used in EM is needed. You should know basics like the gradient, divergence, curl and Laplacian.

You should be familiar with some classical physics concepts for GR: Gauss's Law, Poisson's equation, Newtonian orbits, effective potential, plain waves.

You may want to get a good reference on Newtonian mechanics (e.g. Symon) for background reading.

Thanks for this info!
 

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