Mathematical Structure and Mathematical Space Hierarchies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of Mathematical Structure Hierarchy and Mathematical Space Hierarchy, as illustrated in diagrams shared by participants. The focus is on understanding the implications, definitions, and historical context of these hierarchies in mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the purpose and implications of the statements in the hierarchies, asking if they allow for construction or if they exist to describe something.
  • Another participant notes that the concepts of Mathematical Space Hierarchy and Mathematical Structure Hierarchy are not standard in mathematics and may have been created for educational purposes.
  • A participant mentions that the diagrams were previously found on Wikipedia's "Space" and "Structure" pages.
  • It is proposed that the hierarchies visually represent relationships, such as how inner product spaces are subsets of normed vector spaces, allowing the application of various theorems across these categories.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the definitions used in the diagrams, particularly regarding the term "algebraic structure," suggesting that context is crucial for proper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and standardization of the concepts presented. While some acknowledge the usefulness of the hierarchies, others challenge their definitions and contextual relevance, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of terms used in the hierarchies, as well as the historical development of the concepts, which are not universally recognized in the mathematical community.

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Hi.
I am trying to understand the images that I have posted below.

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Each layer of Mathematical Structure Hierarchy in the image in this post and Mathematical Space Hierarchy in the image in this post are: statements.
1. What do these statements of each layer of these hierarchies in the images in this post let's me do?
2. Do these statements let's me build something?
3. What if there is no Mathematical Structure Hierarchy and Mathematical Space Hierarchy?
4. Why did somebody create Mathematical Structure Hierarchy and Mathematical Space Hierarchy?
5. Do these Mathematical Structure and Mathematical Space Hierarchies exist to describe something?
6. Why each layer of Mathematical Structure Hierarchy and Mathematical Space Hierarchy be in the order as they are shown in the images above? Can they be jumbled?

I have asked these questions to know what Mathematical Space Hierarchy is and what Mathematical Structure Hierarchy is.

- Trying to connect dots.

Thanks!
 

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pairofstrings said:
Hi.
I am trying to understand the images that I have posted below.

Where did you find these diagrams?

Have you studied the definitions of the things presented in the diagrams? The concepts of "Mathematical Space Hierarchy" and "Mathematical Structure Hierarchy" are not standard concepts of mathematics. They may be concepts invented by someone in field of mathematics education in order to give an overview of mathematical topics.

If you have studied the mathematical definitions of the things presented in the diagram, you should see that each thing is a special case of the other things that contain it. To understand why that is so, you need to know the technical definitions of each of the things.

The things in the diagrams are important mathematical concepts because they have theoretical and practical uses. Historically, each of the concepts was developed without any reference to a "Mathematical Space Heirarchy" or "Mathematical Structure Heirarchy".
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
Where did you find these diagrams?

They used to live in Wikipedia's "Space" and "Structure" pages.
 
They are equivalent to statements like "every inner product space is a normed vector space" and so on. Just a graphical visualization. The set of inner product spaces is a subset of the set of normed vector spaces.

If you can show something is an inner product space then you can apply every theorem for normed vector spaces, every theorem for metric spaces and every theorem for topological spaces as well.
 
While I agree with the first, where there are actual inclusions, I think the second is highly questionable. "algebraic structure" isn't defined without context. It should at least be "binary operation", and "Abelian" is plain wrong, if the word "group" isn't attached to it within the context given. And it is a bit of an arbitrary property in group theoretical considerations. Why not "simple" or "finite"? Abelian refers to the binary operation in question and isn't exclusively related to groups.
 

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