Mathematician after Electronics engineering

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The discussion revolves around the qualifications necessary to be recognized as a mathematician, particularly in relation to having a master's degree in electronics engineering. Participants explore whether additional degrees in mathematics or computer science are required for roles in academia or research think tanks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a master's degree in electronics engineering is sufficient to be recognized as a mathematician, or if a second master's degree in mathematics is necessary.
  • It is noted that most university teaching positions typically require a PhD, although adjunct positions may be available for those with a master's degree.
  • One participant mentions encountering individuals with degrees in electrical engineering who identify as mathematicians, raising questions about the historical context of such claims.
  • Another participant describes their experience with PhD electrical engineers who excel in mathematics, particularly in applied fields like image reconstruction and optical design, suggesting they consider themselves applied mathematicians.
  • There is a suggestion that a second degree in computer science might be more beneficial than a second degree in mathematics, though the reasoning behind this is questioned by others.
  • Concerns are raised about the mathematical training of engineers compared to mathematicians, with one participant asserting that engineers may not cover as much advanced mathematics as mathematicians do.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the qualifications needed to be considered a mathematician, with no consensus reached on whether a second degree is necessary or if a PhD in electronics engineering suffices. The discussion reflects a range of opinions about the roles and identities of engineers versus mathematicians.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying educational backgrounds and experiences, indicating that the definitions of what constitutes a mathematician may depend on context, such as industry versus academia. There are also mentions of differing levels of mathematical training among engineers.

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Can you become a mathematician (work in research in think tanks, or teach in the universities) with masters degree in electronics engineering?
Or do I need to have a second masters degree in mathematics?
 
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Most university teaching jobs require a PhD; however they do hire adjunct lecturers with MS degrees. These don't pay well, and are usually treated as temporary, semester to semester appointments.

I have no experience with so-called "think tanks".
 
What I meant to say was: would I be treated as a mathematician with PhD in electronics engineering.
I am asking this because I met people with a degree (not sure if MS or PhD) in EE who called themselves mathematicians. And they work with digital electronics such as computers, but they also work in different math researches.
And I want to know if you can still do this (these people studied EE in 1950s) or do you need a second degree in mathematics.
 
I know quite a few PhD electrical engineers who are very good with mathematics - they mostly do image reconstruction from synthetic aperture radar, CAT scans or MRI, or advanced optical design. Some of them have taught on the side - usually optics or electrical engineering courses - as adjunct lecturers or at community colleges.

I think of them (and myself) as applied mathematicians.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I suspect a second degree in computer science would be more productive.
 
Why do you suspect a second degree in computer science would be more productive?
I have always thought that electronics engineering deals mostly with hardware(a lot more than in CS), but also with software (a lot less than in CS, but still enough to work as a programmer) and more mathematics is taught in electronics engineering than in CS.
 
While I do know many EE PhDs that are strong mathematically, even those have typically only taken the equivalent of a BS in math, perhaps with one or two graduate level courses. In the department I was in for grad school, the comms/signal processing / controlls PhD students usuall took most or all the undergrad math courses recommended for preparation for math grad school. If you want to be "treated like a mathematician" you most likely need the math PhD - at least in a university. If you are in industry or a "think tank" then it all comes down to what you produce. If you have a track record of publishing innovative mathematics related to your application area, then you will continue to get that kind of work. Chances are you will also have to bring in some of your own funding, and likely do much of your publication "in your own time." That is what I have seen at my company.

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Engineers use "Some mathematics" for their work, but they are not as good as mathematicians in mathematics, there is a lot of maths staff they didn't cover. An engineer cannot call theirself a mathematician or physicists, physicist are very good in theory and some of applications. Ebgineers are interested in maths they need, mathematicians do a lot of maths to discover new maths or solution to problems.
 

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