Mathmatically, why are parallel universes even theorized?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical foundations and mathematical frameworks that might predict the existence of parallel universes. Participants explore various interpretations of quantum mechanics and cosmological theories that could imply the existence of multiple universes, examining the lack of rigorous mathematical support for these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Albert Gauss questions the existence of a Hamiltonian or main equation that predicts parallel universes, seeking references for mathematical solutions related to this concept.
  • One participant notes that parallel universes have historically lacked rigorous mathematical support, referencing a paper titled "The Structure of the Multiverse" which did not gain significant interest.
  • Another participant mentions Nomura's argument that the quantum multiverse can be associated with pocket universes arising from eternal inflation.
  • A response clarifies that parallel universes arise from the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, suggesting that all possible outcomes are realized in separate, non-interacting worlds, justified by decoherence.
  • Participants differentiate between at least two concepts of the multiverse: one related to quantum theory where all outcomes occur in parallel universes, and another suggesting our universe is a bubble within a larger collection of universes, potentially linked to M theory.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the concept of parallel universes, advocating for relational quantum mechanics as a more coherent framework, citing Lee Smolin's work and emphasizing a singular universe perceived from multiple perspectives.
  • Another participant asserts that there is some theoretical reasoning for the existence of multiverses, although specifics are not detailed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence and implications of parallel universes, with no consensus reached. Some support the Many Worlds interpretation, while others propose alternative frameworks or express skepticism about the multiverse concept altogether.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the untestability of many multiverse theories as a significant limitation. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of quantum mechanics and cosmology, with some mathematical frameworks being referenced but not universally accepted.

Albertgauss
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Hi all,

What is the Hamiltonian or main equation, that if you solve it, parallel universes are predicted?

For example, the Dirac equation, if solved, predicts the existence of anti-particles. If You solve Maxwell's Equations, you predict there should be E & M waves. Solving certain aspects of the Einstein's General Relativity Tensor Equations predicts black holes.

But I have not seen any hamiltonian, Lagrangian, etc. that if you solve them, parallel universes (of any kind) are predicted. Can someone guide me to such a reference (book, webpage, etc) where some basic parallel universe solutions are worked out.

Thanks,
Albert Gauss
 
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Parallel universes have historically not enjoyed much in the way of rigorous mathematical support. Here is one of the better known efforts: The Structure of the Multiverse, http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0104033. The paper did not, however, seem to generate a great deal of interest. It has not been cited to date.
 
Nomura argues that the quantum multiverse can be identified in some sense with the pocket universes of eternal inflation.
 
Albertgauss said:
What is the Hamiltonian or main equation, that if you solve it, parallel universes are predicted?
Parallel universes are part of an interpretation of the QM formalism (called the Many Worlds interpretation). So these worlds are not a prediction in the sense of your other examples and can't be distinguished from the single universe view of other interpretations.

The basic idea of Many Worlds is to question the collapse of the wavefunction by stating that all possible outcomes are realiszed in different, non-interacting worlds. So in principle, you see the potential parallel universes in every wavefunction prior to measurement. Mathematically, such an interpretation is justified by decoherence, which occurs because of the interaction between the system and the measurement apparatus. Here's a review article by Maximilian Schlosshauer: http://arxiv.org/abs/quantph/0312059.
 
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There are two (at least) distinct concepts under the description of multiverse.
1) Quantum theory - all possible outcomes of experiments occur in parallel universes.
2a) Our universe is a bubble in a collection of universes - the big bang was a local event leading to the bubble.
2b) M theory - brane collision led to the big bang.

The main objection to any of these is they are (at least for now) untestable.
 
I think the idea of relational quantum mechanics makes more sense than parallel universes...Lee Smolin book "Three roads to quantum gravity"..."Many of us believe that this as a definite step in the right direction. Rather than trying to make sense of metaphysical statements about their being many universes - many realities - within one solution to the theory of quantum cosmology, we are constructing a pluralistic version of quantum cosmology in which there is one universe. That the universe has, however many different mathematical descriptions, each corresponding to what each observer can see when we look around them. Each incomplete, because no observer can see the whole universe. Each observer, for example, excludes themselves from the world they describe. But when two observers ask the same question, they must agree."..."One universe, seen by many observers, rather than many universes, seen by one mythical observer outside the universe"

For math rigour see work of Isham (topos theory), Crane, Rovelli...
 
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Multiverses are a different idea and I think there is some theoretical physical reasoning for their production.
 
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