Matrices - Infinite/No solutions

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of a and b in the equations 3x + ay = 2 and -6x + 4y = b, specifically under conditions that yield either an infinite set of solutions or no solutions. The subject area includes linear algebra and systems of equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the matrix being singular when a = -2, questioning how this affects the existence of solutions. There is discussion on what value of b would lead to equivalent equations, thus resulting in infinite solutions, versus values that would create parallel lines, leading to no solutions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the geometric interpretation of the equations. There is recognition of the conditions under which the system may have infinite or no solutions, but no consensus has been reached on the specific values of b that satisfy these conditions.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the coefficients in the equations and the resulting geometric representations, as well as the implications of using matrix notation versus algebraic manipulation.

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Homework Statement


Find the values of a and b such that the equations:
3x + ay = 2 and -6x + 4y = b
have i) an infinite set of solutions ii) no solutions

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 & a \\<br /> -6 & 4<br /> \end{pmatrix} * \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/itex]

[itex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 & a \\<br /> -6 & 4<br /> \end{pmatrix}^{-1} * <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/itex][itex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = <br /> \tfrac{1}{12+6a} *<br /> <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 4 & -a \\<br /> 6 & 3<br /> \end{pmatrix} * <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> [/itex]

I think that when the matrix is singular, then it does not have ONE solution (infinite OR no solution). So when a = -2 then it has infinite OR no solution. But what about b, how do I figure out the value for b?

Thanks
 
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planauts said:

Homework Statement


Find the values of a and b such that the equations:
3x + ay = 2 and -6x + 4y = b
have i) an infinite set of solutions ii) no solutions

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 & a \\<br /> -6 & 4<br /> \end{pmatrix} * \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/itex]

[itex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 & a \\<br /> -6 & 4<br /> \end{pmatrix}^{-1} * <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/itex]


[itex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\ <br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> = <br /> \tfrac{1}{12+6a} *<br /> <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 4 & -a \\<br /> 6 & 3<br /> \end{pmatrix} * <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2\\ <br /> b<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> [/itex]

I think that when the matrix is singular, then it does not have ONE solution (infinite OR no solution). So when a = -2 then it has infinite OR no solution. But what about b, how do I figure out the value for b?

Thanks

Certainly, if a = -2, the matrix is singular (noninvertible), so solving for a vector <x, y> as you have done is invalid.

If a = -2, the two equations are:
3x - 2y = 2
-6x + 4y = b

In order for there to be an infinite number of solutions, the system above must actually represent a single line in the plane. For such a system, any point on one line is already on the other line, which is really the same line. Since there are an infinite number of points on the line, there are an infinite number of solutions to the system. What value of b gives us two equivalent equations, and hence one line?

If b is some other value, then there really are two distinct, parallel lines. No point on either line can also be on the other line, so the system is inconsistent, which means that the system has no solutions. What are the possible values of b so that the system above represents two parallel lines?
 
Wow that makes sense. That's so easy. I could have simply guessed the a value by inspection :(

Thanks!
 
It's helpful to not get too lost in matrix notation and all, and keep the geometry in mind, at least for simple systems of two or three equations. In a system of two equations in two unknowns, the system represents two lines. The lines can intersect at a single point, at every point, or not at all.

For a system of three equations in three unknowns, each equation represents a plane in space. The three planes can intersect at a single point, or in a line, in an entire plane, or not at all.
 
Personally, I would not have used matrices at all. To solve the equations 3x + ay = 2 and -6x + 4y = b, eliminate x by adding twice the first equation to the second: (6x+ 2ay)+ (-6x+ 4y)= (2a+ 4)y= 4+ b.

That equation has a unique solution as long as 2a+ 4 is not 0. If it is 0, then the left side of the equation is 0 for all y. There is no solution as long as 4+ b is not 0 but any y will be a solution if 4+ b= 0.
 

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