Matrices, Proof and Eigenvalues.

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The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical property related to a rotation matrix and its effect on a vector, specifically showing that the dot product of the transformed vector equals the dot product of the original vector. Additionally, participants are exploring the eigenvalues of the rotation matrix.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the transformed vector and the subsequent dot product, with some expressing uncertainty about their multiplication approach. There is mention of a potential typo in the original poster's calculations. The second part of the discussion involves finding eigenvalues using the determinant formula, with confusion about the results and references to imaginary numbers.

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Some participants have provided guidance on correcting the calculations and emphasized the importance of clarity in the steps taken. There is ongoing exploration of the eigenvalue calculation, with multiple interpretations being considered, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share. There is an acknowledgment of potential typos and the need for clearer representation of mathematical expressions in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Looking for some help with the proof if possible.

Vector r =
x
y
z

Rotation R =
cos(θ) 0 sin(θ)
0 1 0
-sin(θ) 0 cos(θ)

r' = Rr

It asks me to prove that
r'.r' = r.r




Second part of the question is about eigenvalues, it asks me to find the three eigenvalues of R.
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.


The Attempt at a Solution



First Part:

I found r' to be
xcos(θ) + xsinθ
y
-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ)

To get r'.r' am I right to just multiply two of the above together, as in
(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))
(yy)
(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))

Because this is the way I did it and it doesn't lead to the same answer.

Obviously these should all have big brackets around them, but I am unsure of how to represent them on here, if someone would advise me I would gladly fix that.

Second Part:
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.
 
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chris_avfc said:

Homework Statement



Looking for some help with the proof if possible.

Vector r =
x
y
z

Rotation R =
cos(θ) 0 sin(θ)
0 1 0
-sin(θ) 0 cos(θ)

r' = Rr

It asks me to prove that
r'.r' = r.r

Second part of the question is about eigenvalues, it asks me to find the three eigenvalues of R.
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.

The Attempt at a Solution



First Part:

I found r' to be
xcos(θ) + xsinθ
This is incorrect but I expect it is a typo.

y
-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ)

To get r'.r' am I right to just multiply two of the above together, as in
(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))
(yy)
(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))
Because I did it this way and it doesn't lead to the same answer.
Yes, that is what you want to do- and add them. You need to fix that first coordinate of course. What did you get? Don't forget that cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1.

Obviously these should all have big brackets around them, but I am unsure of how to represent them on here, if someone would advise me I would gladly fix that.

Second Part:
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.
We're not mindreaders! No one can tell you what you did wrong unless you tell us what you did!
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is incorrect but I expect it is a typo.
Yes, that is what you want to do- and add them. You need to fix that first coordinate of course. What did you get? Don't forget that cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1. We're not mindreaders! No one can tell you what you did wrong unless you tell us what you did!

What's wrong with the first bit, have I made a stupid mistake?

I've attached what I have done.
 

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You have det(A-\lambda I)= (cos(\theta)- \lambda)(1- \lambda)(cos(\theta)- \lambda) which is wrong. That is the product of the values on the main diagonal but is not the determinant.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You have det(A-\lambda I)= (cos(\theta)- \lambda)(1- \lambda)(cos(\theta)- \lambda) which is wrong. That is the product of the values on the main diagonal but is not the determinant.

Ah yeah, I've sorted that all out now.
Thank you so much for the help mate.
 

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