Matrix of angular momentum operator

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The discussion revolves around finding the matrix representation of the angular momentum operator for a two-particle system in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the product of the raising and lowering operators for two particles. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical formulation related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant notes the challenge of finding the matrix representation for the operator \( j_1^+ j_2^- \) in a two-particle system, providing specific values for \( j_1 \) and \( j_2 \) and the condition on \( m \).
  • Another participant suggests starting with the basis states and provides a method to calculate the matrix elements of the operator \( A = J_1^+ J_2^- \), illustrating the calculation for a specific matrix element.
  • A question is raised regarding whether the resulting matrix is diagonal or off-diagonal based on the application of the operators to the states.
  • Further inquiry is made about explicitly writing the elements of the resulting 2x2 matrix.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial confusion has been resolved, expressing gratitude for the assistance provided.

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The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on the matrix representation and the nature of the resulting matrix, with no consensus reached on the final form of the matrix or its properties.

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The discussion does not clarify certain assumptions about the basis states or the implications of the Kronecker delta in determining the matrix type.

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as known to all, we can find a matrix representation for every operator in quantum mechanics.

for example for total angular momentum of one particle j(square) the elements are j(j+1)(square)h(bar) δmm'

However I have stucked in two particle systems.

for example I could not find the matrix of j1+j2- (this is a product) here j1+ is the raising operator for first particle and j2- is the lowering operator for second one.
normally for one particle raising angular momentum operator gives the eigen value (squareroot)[j(j+1)-m(m+1)].
but in this case as far as i know, i have to find the matrix representration of product of this two operator. but for the below conditions I could not create a matrix.
lets say j1=2 j2=1 and the restriction is m= m1 +m2 = 2. that is m1 can take values 2,1 and coresponding m2 values are 0 and 1.
can you help me about this?
 
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You must first write down your basis states, e.g. you can take the product states

|1> = |j1=2, m1=2>|j2=1,m2=0>

|2> = |j1=2, m1=1>|j2=1,m2=1>

If we put A = J1^{+} J2^{-}, then the matrix elements are

A_{i,j} = <i|A|j>

e.g.

A_{1,2} =

<|j1=2, m1=2|<j2=1,m2=0|J1^{+} J2^{-}
|j1=2, m1=1>|j2=1,m2=1>

We have:

J1^{+} J2^{-}|j1=2, m1=1>|j2=1,m2=1> =

(J1^{+} |j1=2, m1=1>) (J2^{-}|j2=1,m2=1>) =

2sqrt(2)h-bar^2|j1=2, m1=2>|j2=1, m2=0>

And we see that A_{1,2} = 2sqrt(2)h-bar^2
 
is that a diagonal matrix or an off diagonal matrix.
you took the state 1 and state 2 to form the matrix of the operator A and after you applied the operators to the state of 2 you got the state of 1 then the kronecker delta gave you what? a diagonal matrix or what?

thanks by the way for your answer.
 
or could you just write the elemts of this 2x2 matrix.
thanks a lot.
 
ah okey just understood
thnaks very much for your kindness.
 

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