Matrix Representation of an Operator (from Sakurai)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the matrix representation of spin operators, specifically the Pauli matrices, within the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore how to express these operators in terms of their eigenstates and the implications of such representations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in recreating the Pauli matrices using the 2-dimensional bases for spin states.
  • Another participant clarifies that projecting the spin matrices in an eigenspin basis is necessary and suggests using the raising and lowering operators for ##\sigma_x## and ##\sigma_y##.
  • A participant requests an example of the ##\sigma_y## operator and questions how the matrix entries are revealed through the projection formula.
  • Multiple participants provide the matrix elements for the ##\sigma_z## operator, indicating how these relate to the eigenstates.
  • There is a discussion about the identity operator and how it can be used to rewrite operators in terms of their matrix representations.
  • One participant emphasizes that each entry in a matrix representation corresponds to an operator formed from the outer product of the basis states.
  • A participant illustrates the decomposition of the ##\sigma_z## matrix into contributions from its eigenstates, highlighting the common notation used in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework for representing the Pauli matrices, but there are varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of the matrix elements and the use of identity operators. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical details and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the summation in the projection formula and its relation to the matrix representation, indicating potential gaps in understanding the underlying concepts.

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Look, I am sorry for not being able to post any LaTeX. But I am stuck at a place where I feel I should not be stuck.

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I can not figure out how to correctly do this. I can't seem to recreate the Pauli matrices with that form using the 3 2-dimensional bases representing x, y, and z spin up/down.

Does anyone have any advice on this?
 
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Just to be clear, you're trying to project the spin matrices in an eigenspin bases right? (say in the z-direction) You only need the spin up and spin down vectors in anyone direction to form a complete basis.
For ##\sigma_z## this is trivial in its eigenbasis:
$$\sigma_z = \sum_s \sum_r |s\rangle\langle s|\sigma_z|r\rangle\langle r|$$
$$\sigma_z = |\uparrow \rangle \langle \uparrow | - | \downarrow \rangle \langle \downarrow |$$

For ##\sigma_x## and ##\sigma_y## you could use the raising and lowering operators to make the same decomposition.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
Just to be clear, you're trying to project the spin matrices in an eigenspin bases right? (say in the z-direction) You only need the spin up and spin down vectors in anyone direction to form a complete basis.
For ##\sigma_z## this is trivial in its eigenbasis:
$$\sigma_z = \sum_s \sum_r |s\rangle\langle s|\sigma_z|r\rangle\langle r|$$
$$\sigma_z = |\uparrow \rangle \langle \uparrow | - | \downarrow \rangle \langle \downarrow |$$

For ##\sigma_x## and ##\sigma_y## you could use the raising and lowering operators to make the same decomposition.

Can you please give the same example, but with the ##\sigma_y## operator? What I'm trying to say is that I don't understand how

$$\sigma_z = \sum_s \sum_r |s\rangle\langle s|\sigma_z|r\rangle\langle r|$$

Reveals the entries of the matrix...
 
The numbers $$\left\langle a'\right|X\left|a''\right\rangle $$
are the entries of the matrix. For the z Pauli matrix we have $$
\left\langle \uparrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\uparrow\right\rangle =1;
\left\langle \downarrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\uparrow\right\rangle =0;
\left\langle \uparrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\downarrow\right\rangle =0;
\left\langle \downarrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\downarrow\right\rangle =-1$$
 
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You don't even have to deal with matrices if you don't want to, all that's happening is we're rewriting the operator by inserting some identity operators. Since $$I = \sum_s |s\rangle\langle s|,$$ we can just stick one in front of and behind an operator to rewrite it in terms of the operator basis ##|s \rangle \langle r|##,
$$A = I A I = \sum_s \sum_r |s\rangle\langle s| A |r\rangle\langle r| = \sum_s \sum_r A_{sr} |s\rangle \langle r|,$$ where ##A_{sr}## are the matrix elements.
 
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andresB said:
The numbers $$\left\langle a'\right|X\left|a''\right\rangle $$
are the entries of the matrix. For the z Pauli matrix we have $$
\left\langle \uparrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\uparrow\right\rangle =1;
\left\langle \downarrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\uparrow\right\rangle =0;
\left\langle \uparrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\downarrow\right\rangle =0;
\left\langle \downarrow\right|\sigma_{z}\left|\downarrow\right\rangle =-1$$

So then what happens to the rest of the construct if you just pull out

$$\left\langle a'\right|X\left|a''\right\rangle $$

What happened to the summation and what becomes of $$\left|a'\right\rangle\left\langle a''\right| $$
 
jaurandt said:
So then what happens to the rest of the construct if you just pull out

$$\left\langle a'\right|X\left|a''\right\rangle $$

What happened to the summation and what becomes of $$\left|a'\right\rangle\left\langle a''\right| $$
Put everything in the formula and you have the representation of the operator in that basis of vectors. HomogenousCow already showed how the z Pauli operator looks like written in terms of its own set of eigenvectors.
 
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The object ##|a' \rangle \langle a''|## is an operator. Every entry in a representation matrix is tied to such an operator.

Consider this rewrite of the third Pauli matrix:
<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; -1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> 1 \cdot<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> <br /> +<br /> <br /> 0 \cdot<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> <br /> +<br /> <br /> 0 \cdot<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> <br /> +<br /> <br /> (-1) \cdot<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
This is what corresponds to the operator equation
##\sigma_z = 1 \cdot |\!\uparrow_z \rangle \langle \uparrow_z \!| + 0 \cdot |\!\uparrow_z \rangle \langle \downarrow_z\!| + 0 \cdot |\!\downarrow_z \rangle \langle \uparrow_z\!| + (-1) \cdot |\!\downarrow_z \rangle \langle \downarrow_z\!|.##

(Note that the symbol ##\sigma_z## is ofen used to symbolize both the operator and its matrix representation in the z-basis. This is a sloppy but very common notation.)
 
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