Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the matrix representation of the angular momentum raising operator \( L_+ \) for the case where \( l = 1 \) and \( m = -1, 0, 1 \). Participants explore the calculation of matrix elements and the application of the general formula for the raising operator.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Mathematical reasoning
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant calculates the matrix elements for \( L_+ \) and finds that all elements conform to a diagonal shifted over one column, except for \( L_+ |0,-1\rangle \), which they believe should yield \( \sqrt{2}\hbar \) but instead results in 0.
- Several participants reiterate the calculation for \( L_+ |0,-1\rangle \) and arrive at the same conclusion of 0, questioning the correctness of the expected value of \( \sqrt{2}\hbar \).
- Another participant provides the general formula for the raising operator and applies it, confirming that \( L_+ |0,-1\rangle \) results in 0, while also presenting the matrix representation of \( L_+ \) based on the correct basis states.
- A later reply points out that the calculations were incorrectly based on \( l = 0 \) instead of \( l = 1 \), suggesting that the participants should apply the formula with \( l = 1 \) to resolve the confusion.
- One participant acknowledges the mistake in applying the correct value of \( l \) and expresses gratitude for the clarification.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally disagree on the value of the matrix element \( L_+ |0,-1\rangle \), with some asserting it should be \( \sqrt{2}\hbar \) while others calculate it as 0. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of the raising operator formula.
Contextual Notes
There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the raising operator formula, particularly the dependence on the quantum number \( l \) and its implications for the calculations. Some assumptions about the basis states and their corresponding values may not have been clearly defined.