Matrix Transform: Meaning & Space Covered

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of an nxn matrix A using the formula D=C*A*C^-1, where C is an invertible matrix. Participants explore the meaning and visualization of this transformation, the space covered by possible values of D for a given A, and the minimal set of matrices A that can represent all possible matrices D. The conversation includes specific interest in the 2x2 case but seeks a more general understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the transformation D=C*A*C^-1 represents the same linear application with respect to different bases, linking it to similarity transformations.
  • One participant mentions that the "space" covered by possible values of D is not a vector space but rather the set of matrices with the same Jordan decomposition as A.
  • Another participant questions the ability to transform an invertible matrix A into the identity matrix through this transformation, leading to a discussion about conditions under which a diagonal matrix can be obtained instead.
  • There is a claim that the transformation can yield any matrix of the same rank as A, which raises a contradiction regarding the ability to transform A into the identity matrix if it has maximal rank.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier statement about the transformation, emphasizing the importance of understanding Jordan decompositions.
  • One participant expands the discussion to linear transformations in general, relating matrices to transformations between vector spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the transformation and the conditions under which certain matrices can be obtained. There is no consensus on the ability to transform A into the identity matrix or the nature of the space covered by D.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the invertibility of matrices and the conditions required for certain transformations, which remain unresolved. The relationship between rank and the ability to achieve specific matrix forms is also a point of contention.

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Hi,
Suppose I have an nxn matrix A. (If needed it can be assumed invertible). I can perform a transform on the matrix in the following way:
D=C*A*C^-1. C can be chosen to be any nxn invertible matrix.
Does this transform have any meaning, which can be easily understood or visualized?
What space is covered by possible values of D for a given A?
What is the minimal set of matrices A, parametrized by as few as possible parameters, which covers all possible matrices D?
2x2 case is of particular interest, but a general answer would certainly be useful.

Thanks
 
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Sounds like a homework problem. Please show your attempt at a solution.
 
marcusl said:
Sounds like a homework problem. Please show your attempt at a solution.

This is not a homework problem.
I noticed that I formulated it the way homework/exam questions are often formulated with multiple paragraphs, but that's just because I am trying to fully understand what is going on here.
 
Leo321 said:
Hi,
Suppose I have an nxn matrix A. (If needed it can be assumed invertible). I can perform a transform on the matrix in the following way:
D=C*A*C^-1. C can be chosen to be any nxn invertible matrix.
Does this transform have any meaning, which can be easily understood or visualized?
This is the usual similarity transformation of homomorphisms: you can see both A and D as the representations of the same linear application with respect to different bases. Let's say A is the representation with respect to a base B, and D is the representation with respect to a basis E. Then the matrix C's columns are the vectors of the base B represented in the base E.
Leo321 said:
What space is covered by possible values of D for a given A?
This "space" is not a vectorial space. It is the set composed of all matrices that have the same Jordan decomposition of A.
Leo321 said:
What is the minimal set of matrices A, parametrized by as few as possible parameters, which covers all possible matrices D?
This set is composed by a representative matrix for each possible Jordan decomposition of a n x n matrix.
 
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Thanks.
If A is invertible, I should be able to find C, which transforms it into the identity matrix, right?
C*A*C^-1=I
I multiply this by C^-1 from the left and C from the right and get:
A=I
What went wrong?
 
Leo321 said:
Thanks.
If A is invertible, I should be able to find C, which transforms it into the identity matrix, right?
C*A*C^-1=I
No, you don't necessarily get the identity matrix. What you get under certain conditions is a diagonal matrix, one whose entries off the main diagonal are zero.
Leo321 said:
I multiply this by C^-1 from the left and C from the right and get:
A=I
What went wrong?
 
Petr Mugver said:
It is the set composed of all matrices that have the same rank of A.
Mark44 said:
No, you don't necessarily get the identity matrix. What you get under certain conditions is a diagonal matrix, one whose entries off the main diagonal are zero.

Don't these two claims contradict? If I can transform A into any matrix of the same rank, then if A has maximal rank, shouldn't I be able to transform it into the identity matrix?
 
You are right, I was wrong: I edited my post and now it should be correct. Are you familiar with Jordan decompositions of matrices?
 
More general than matrices is the "linear transformation" from one vector space to another.

Any matrix can be thought of as a linear transformation specifically from the vector space Rn to Rm, Euclidean spaces.

In the other direction, a linear transfromation from finite dimensional vector space U to finite dimensional vector space V can be written as matrix by selecting particular ordered bases in U and V.

Two matrices, A and B, say, represent the same linear transformation, as written using different bases, if and only if they are "similar": B= CAC-1 for some invertible matrix C.
 

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