Image of a Matrix and symmetric matrix

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The discussion revolves around understanding the image of a matrix, including its geometric interpretation and implications in various contexts. Participants explore theoretical aspects, applications, and specific questions related to matrix operations and properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the image of a matrix, questioning its calculation and geometric interpretation.
  • Another participant corrects the claim that the image is calculated by the equation Lx = x, stating that a vector y is in the image of L if there exists a vector x such that Lx = y.
  • A participant explains that a matrix represents a linear operator and outlines the properties of linear operators, including linearity and non-commutativity of matrix multiplication.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between linear transformations and linear operators, with emphasis on the dimensions of the matrices involved.
  • One participant provides a geometric example of a matrix transformation, illustrating how a specific matrix maps vectors in R².
  • Questions are raised about the implications of knowing the image of matrices A and B on the image of their product C = AB and sum C = A + B.
  • A question is posed regarding the conditions under which the product of two matrices is symmetric, seeking insights based on visual inspection.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation and interpretation of the image of a matrix. Some points are clarified, but no consensus is reached on several questions, particularly regarding the implications of matrix operations and the conditions for symmetry.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions and assumptions about linear transformations and matrix properties, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of notation.

Payam30
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Hi,
Well I hope it's not a thread that already is in the storage here. I want to understand the image of a matrix. not only calculating it but also why I'm doing that. Here are my questions:

1) They say d = Lx has a solution if d ∈ ImL. I know that the image of a matrix is calculated by Lx = x. but here we have d = Lx.

2) Can anybody show me what image of a matrix and what solution the question above has geometrically? I mean by firgures?

3) If A is a nxn matrix and B is a nx1 matrix and you only have the image of A , what does it say above the image of Γ = [B, AB]?

4) If We know the image of A and B where both A and B are nxn. what do you know about the image of C=AB , C = A+B?

and last question which doesn't have so much to do with image:
5) When is the product of two matrices symmetric? by only looking at them?

I appritiate all kind of help. thanks in advance
 
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The image (range, column space) of a matrix is not calculated by ##L\mathbf x= \mathbf x##, check your source.
 
I am not familiar with your terminology, but I will make some statements that I hope are relevant.
  1. A matrix is a representation of a linear operator in ℝn
  2. Therefore matrices obeys the rules for linear operators - if A is a matrix, X and Y are points in ℝn and α, β are real numbers, then A(αX+βY) = αAX + βAY.
  3. Matrix multiplication is defined for certain combinations of matrices - if we have Am,p and Bp,n, then Cm,n = A⋅B exists.
  4. Matrix multiplication is not commutative - in general A⋅B ≠ B⋅A
A linear operator is symmetric with respect to an inner product <,> if <AX,y> = <x,Ay>
 
Payam30 said:
Hi,
Well I hope it's not a thread that already is in the storage here. I want to understand the image of a matrix. not only calculating it but also why I'm doing that.
A matrix is a representation of a linear transformation, which you can think of as a kind of function. The image of a linear transformation is the set of possible outputs from that transformation.

In another reply, Svein called this a linear operator, but as I recall things, a linear operator is a transformation (or mapping) from a given vector space to itself. Hence any matrix for a linear operator has to be square. For a linear transformation, the dimensions of the domain and range don't have to be the same. Hence, a matrix for such a linear transformation can by m x n, where m and n aren't equal. In this case, the linear transformation maps vectors in Rn (the domain) to vectors in Rm (the range).
Payam30 said:
Here are my questions:

1) They say d = Lx has a solution if d ∈ ImL. I know that the image of a matrix is calculated by Lx = x. but here we have d = Lx.
The image is not calculated by Lx = x. A vector y is in the image of L -- Im(L) -- if and only if there exists a vector x in the domain of L such that Lx = y.
Payam30 said:
2) Can anybody show me what image of a matrix and what solution the question above has geometrically? I mean by firgures?
Here's a simple example where L is a transformation of R2 to R2, with this matrix:
$$A = \begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix}$$
A maps a vector <x, y> to <y, 0>. (Check this for yourself.) Geometrically, A reflects an input vector across the line y = x, and then projects that vector onto the x-axis. These two steps transform <x, y> to <y, x> and then to <y, 0>. So for example,
$$A \begin{bmatrix}2 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}2 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}3 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}$$

Another piece of information that is related to the image of a transformation is its nullspace, the subspace of the domain that is mapped to the zero vector in the range. A vector x is in the nullspace of L iff Lx = 0. As it turns out, the nullspace of the matrix of my example is the set of vectors in R2 whose y-component is 0; in other words, any vector that lies along the x-axis.
Payam30 said:
3) If A is a nxn matrix and B is a nx1 matrix and you only have the image of A , what does it say above the image of Γ = [B, AB]?
I don't know what this notation means.
Payam30 said:
4) If We know the image of A and B where both A and B are nxn. what do you know about the image of C=AB , C = A+B?

and last question which doesn't have so much to do with image:
5) When is the product of two matrices symmetric? by only looking at them?

I appritiate all kind of help. thanks in advance
 

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