Matter combined with Antimater question

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between matter and antimatter, particularly focusing on the energy released during their annihilation. Participants explore the theoretical implications, energy calculations, and the nature of the byproducts of such interactions, with a mix of conceptual and technical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that mixing 1 gram of matter with 1 gram of antimatter would result in significant energy release due to annihilation, citing energy equivalents such as kilotons of TNT.
  • There are claims that annihilation results in the complete conversion of mass into energy, leaving no mass behind, although this is challenged by others who question the nature of the byproducts.
  • One participant explains the annihilation process from a quantum electrodynamics (QED) perspective, discussing conservation laws and the energetic nature of the resulting photons.
  • Another participant calculates the energy released using E=mc², suggesting that the energy manifests primarily as light, but raises questions about the forms of energy produced and the presence of particles post-annihilation.
  • Some participants argue that while photons are massless, the annihilation process does not leave behind any massive particles, while others contend that sub-atomic particles and radiation should be considered forms of mass.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for different annihilation scenarios, such as electron-positron versus proton-antiproton interactions, which may yield different byproducts.
  • A participant raises a speculative question about the possibility of producing antimatter at home using an old TV set, which introduces a more experimental angle to the discussion.
  • Another participant mentions that in practical scenarios, pure matter-antimatter collisions are unlikely, as some particles would be expelled as highly energetic particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of matter-antimatter annihilation, with no consensus on the specifics of the byproducts or the implications of energy release. Some agree on the high energy output, while others contest the interpretation of mass and energy in the aftermath of annihilation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of what constitutes mass in the context of radiation and particles, as well as differing views on the types of energy produced during annihilation events.

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I herd if you took 1 gram of matter and 1 gram of Antimatter and took them to center of Chiago and mixed toghter Chiago will be gone.

Why does the mixture of Antimatter and matter create so much energy?
 
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scott1 said:
I herd if you took 1 gram of matter and 1 gram of Antimatter and took them to center of Chiago and mixed toghter Chiago will be gone.

Why does the mixture of Antimatter and matter create so much energy?

When the matter and antimatter contact each other, they annihilate each other spewing radiation all over leaving no mass behind.

And it's true:

http://www.1728.com/convert2.htm

2 Gram of Mass (Energy Equivalent)
42.962 Kilotons of TNT
2.1471 Hiroshima A-Bombs
 
kmarinas86 said:
When the matter and antimatter contact each other, they annihilate each other spewing radiation all over leaving no mass behind.

And it's true:

http://www.1728.com/convert2.htm

2 Gram of Mass (Energy Equivalent)
42.962 Kilotons of TNT
2.1471 Hiroshima A-Bombs
Can you be more specfic? I know what happens when you mix toghter I don't understand why?
 
scott1 said:
Can you be more specfic? I know what happens when you mix toghter I don't understand why?

From the QED perspective, it's simply because one can draw a low-order diagram for the interaction process. You can think of this in terms of conservation laws. If you take an electron and positron in the initial state, would any conservation laws be violated if they changed into two photons? They have opposite charge, so the net charge is zero, just as with the photons. The net lepton number in the initial state is zero as well (+1 for the electron, -1 for the positron). For comparison, try considering two electrons or an electron and a proton. The former annihilation would violate conservation of charge and lepton number and the latter would violate lepton number and baryon number conservation.

The conservation of energy is what makes the event so energetic. Since electrons and positrons each have 511 keV of mass energy, at least twice this amount of energy must be dumped into the final state photons. Each of these photons will be 100-1000 times more energetic than the typical photon emitted from the sun, so you don't want to be around when a lot of this stuff annihilates.
 
kmarinas86 said:
When the matter and antimatter contact each other, they annihilate each other spewing radiation all over leaving no mass behind.

And it's true:

http://www.1728.com/convert2.htm

2 Gram of Mass (Energy Equivalent)
42.962 Kilotons of TNT
2.1471 Hiroshima A-Bombs

I think you could have described it a little easier by just noting that E=mc^2 applies. You have 0.002 kg of mass and c=299 792 458 m/s. The result is approximately 180 TJ.

Now you can tell us in what forms 180 TJ manifests itself. What percentage of that energy has the form of heat? light? radiation?

I don't think they leave no form of mass behind? What about atomic and sub-atomic particles? Don't these have mass? Aren't they forms of matter? What is radiation? Isn't it atomic and sub-atomic particles moving at high speeds?

So how can you say that the encounter of matter with anti-matter leaves no mass behind?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation
 
Euric said:
I think you could have described it a little easier by just noting that E=mc^2 applies. You have 0.002 kg of mass and c=299 792 458 m/s. The result is approximately 180 TJ.

Now you can tell us in what forms 180 TJ manifests itself. What percentage of that energy has the form of heat? light? radiation?

In matter-antimatter annihilation, 100% light. Light is electromagnetic radiation that contains energy which can used to heat matter.

Euric said:
I don't think they leave no form of mass behind?

They leave energy behind, but since the byproducts travel at the speed of light, there's no mass.

Euric said:
What about atomic and sub-atomic particles? Don't these have mass?

They do.

Euric said:
Aren't they forms of matter?

They are of course, why wouldn't they be?

Euric said:
What is radiation?

Anything that was emitted or absorbed by a particle. It may or may not have mass. Not all radiation is light. All light is radiation.

Euric said:
Isn't it atomic and sub-atomic particles moving at high speeds?

It can be.

Euric said:
So how can you say that the encounter of matter with anti-matter leaves no mass behind?

Because the byproducts of an matter-antimatter collision do not have mass, they are just photons. The byproduct of a photon with the same energy as two electrons may form an electron and a positron (which is the opposite of matter-antimatter annihilation).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation

Wikipedia said:
Annihilation is defined as "total destruction" or "complete obliteration" of a particular object
 
Euric said:
I think you could have described it a little easier by just noting that E=mc^2 applies. You have 0.002 kg of mass and c=299 792 458 m/s. The result is approximately 180 TJ.

Now you can tell us in what forms 180 TJ manifests itself. What percentage of that energy has the form of heat? light? radiation?

You ought to get both. The annihilation of an electron and positron at low energy should produce only photons, but proton and anti-proton annihilation (the particles being more massive) can produce other particles as well. Perhaps someone more experienced in particle physics can give an idea as to the relative ratios.
 
to put it simply, matter and anti-matter have a rather high matter to energy ratio. the heat loss will help kill off any people who survive the explosion.
 
Is it possible to point a TV picture tube (ie electron gun) from an old TV set at the tungsten filiment of a light globe & produce antimatter in your home? Obviously some magnets are necessary (= hi-fi speakers??)...
 
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There are no pure matter/antimatter collisions [between massive bodies]. Some of each will be expelled as highly energetic particles - like cosmic rays.
 

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